Ferrari Mailing List: Re: OT - BMW M3

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

There are plenty of skunk work project cars out there.  Add VW to that list.  I personally know of a Jetta AWD that was built and the solution was 2 motors...

 

Plenty of other cars I can't talk about, too.

 

Erik

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Rick,

For the price of a regular E30 (not an M3), it seems like a really ideal car for a few thousand bucks no? After all, for the car collectors (accumulators?) some of us tend to be (or will be), it seems like a lot of value. A BMW that legitimately attempts to be the Ultimate Driving Machine and not some fancy yuppy car. And for the record I have no issue with buying cars for prestige, but BMWs of modern day tend to annoy me -- the image of one, not so much the car itself. Nobody is buying an older 3 series for image.

And as for that E36 M3 you had....it's an old enough car now that one shouldn't mistake it for luxury. Even most new BMWs lack a pretty nice interior unless it's a 7 or something. A Mercedes Benz would accomplish the luxury thing better I think. 

BTW , back to the 135/1M.....the one little knock I'll give the 1M is that it's not an M3 V8 in a 1 series, but a more powerful turbo 6 from the 135. I guess the cannibalism fear from BMW prevented them from dropping a more "pure" motor in the obviously more pure car. What they didn't realize is that very few of the cool kids but 1 series for the image. 

Can't have perfection in this world. The E46 M3 CSL was about as pure a Bimmer as you could find in the modern day but they never offered it with a proper manual trans (or in the US market for that matter). That could have been a legend.

Somebody told me that either BMW or Benz Engineers (the more senior ones) have the ability to make their own custom cars.....a mostly stock 3/5/7 series or C/E/S class car but with stuff that guys like us would want.I'd imagine they could achieve the proper nirvana even rich boys can't have. 

Would be nice if that story was true.

FG

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I haven't driven a 1 series but would not turn down a drive in a 135. The E30M3 I owned a decade ago, was a good car but a beast to keep optimally tuned. My E36M3 stayed in tune but tried to be a performance car and a luxury car at the same time, never actually achieving either 100%.

OTOH, I had an '89 E30 325i with a manual gearbox. It is right near the top of all cars I have ever owned! A VERY fun car to drive. Great handling and with enough high-end power to be spirited, but not so much as to preclude thrashing it on the street.

-rick

-------- Original message --------

From: Fellippe Galletta

Date:12/04/2014 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)

To: Rick Lindsay

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - BMW M3

Terrible the gimmicks they feel they have to put into cars nowadays, and
the fallacy that you can replace V8s with turbo V6s. :)

I like M3s and BMWs in general, but this is too much.

Those old E30/E36 M3s were the best. E46 and E90 are nice too but in a
different way.

E30 M3s are rare and $$$....but I hear a regular 325 is good enough. E36 M3
go for not a ton of money.

For a newish BMW, the one I really like are those 1 series.....1M would be
my favorite but a bit pricey. 135 might be best buy.

I drove a 128 a bunch of times....nice dynamics, just no power.

Anyone here ever drive one?

FG

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am a previous owner of an E30M3 and an E36M3 but now I officially like
> BMW even less - new BMW, that is.
>
> The new M3s have 'shakers' on the firewall, and play noise through the
> radio so that their new, smaller engines will, "...sound like V8s!" Source:
> Car and Driver magazine. So fake! Who wants an M3 that sounds like a
> Camaro? And who wants an M3 with a smaller engine? I'd bet BMW is soon to
> find out!
>
> -rick
>
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