Ferrari Mailing List: Re: OT - BMW M3

[Rick Lindsay (richardolindsay]

Go for it Erik!

-------- Original message --------

From: Erik Nielsen

Date:12/04/2014 9:53 AM (GMT-06:00)

To: Rick Lindsay

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - BMW M3

I'm likely going to get an Abarth to replace (add to) my Prima Edizione
500.  I've got other stuff if I want to make the Joneses feel poor...

Regards,
Erik

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

> All good back story. My '99 E36 was an M3A convertible. Automatic box. The
> car was okay but not the fire breathing dragon it was promised to be.
>
> On the other hand, my decade newer Cayman is outstanding.
>
> -rick
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Fellippe Galletta
> Date:12/04/2014 9:12 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Rick Lindsay
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - BMW M3
>
> Rick,
>
> For the price of a regular E30 (not an M3), it seems like a really ideal
> car for a few thousand bucks no? After all, for the car collectors
> (accumulators?) some of us tend to be (or will be), it seems like a lot of
> value. A BMW that legitimately attempts to be the Ultimate Driving Machine
> and not some fancy yuppy car. And for the record I have no issue with
> buying cars for prestige, but BMWs of modern day tend to annoy me -- the
> image of one, not so much the car itself. Nobody is buying an older 3
> series for image.
>
> And as for that E36 M3 you had....it's an old enough car now that one
> shouldn't mistake it for luxury. Even most new BMWs lack a pretty nice
> interior unless it's a 7 or something. A Mercedes Benz would accomplish the
> luxury thing better I think.
>
> BTW , back to the 135/1M.....the one little knock I'll give the 1M is that
> it's not an M3 V8 in a 1 series, but a more powerful turbo 6 from the 135.
> I guess the cannibalism fear from BMW prevented them from dropping a more
> "pure" motor in the obviously more pure car. What they didn't realize is
> that very few of the cool kids but 1 series for the image.
>
> Can't have perfection in this world. The E46 M3 CSL was about as pure a
> Bimmer as you could find in the modern day but they never offered it with a
> proper manual trans (or in the US market for that matter). That could have
> been a legend.
>
> Somebody told me that either BMW or Benz Engineers (the more senior ones)
> have the ability to make their own custom cars.....a mostly stock 3/5/7
> series or C/E/S class car but with stuff that guys like us would want.I'd
> imagine they could achieve the proper nirvana even rich boys can't have.
>
> Would be nice if that story was true.
>
> FG
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I haven't driven a 1 series but would not turn down a drive in a 135. The
> > E30M3 I owned a decade ago, was a good car but a beast to keep optimally
> > tuned. My E36M3 stayed in tune but tried to be a performance car and a
> > luxury car at the same time, never actually achieving either 100%.
> >
> > OTOH, I had an '89 E30 325i with a manual gearbox. It is right near the
> > top of all cars I have ever owned! A VERY fun car to drive. Great
> handling
> > and with enough high-end power to be spirited, but not so much as to
> > preclude thrashing it on the street.
> >
> > -rick
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Fellippe Galletta
> > Date:12/04/2014 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
> > To: Rick Lindsay
> > Cc: The FerrariList
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - BMW M3
> >
> > Terrible the gimmicks they feel they have to put into cars nowadays, and
> > the fallacy that you can replace V8s with turbo V6s. :)
> >
> > I like M3s and BMWs in general, but this is too much.
> >
> > Those old E30/E36 M3s were the best. E46 and E90 are nice too but in a
> > different way.
> >
> > E30 M3s are rare and $$$....but I hear a regular 325 is good enough. E36
> M3
> > go for not a ton of money.
> >
> > For a newish BMW, the one I really like are those 1 series.....1M would
> be
> > my favorite but a bit pricey. 135 might be best buy.
> >
> > I drove a 128 a bunch of times....nice dynamics, just no power.
> >
> > Anyone here ever drive one?
> >
> > FG
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am a previous owner of an E30M3 and an E36M3 but now I officially
> like
> > > BMW even less - new BMW, that is.
> > >
> > > The new M3s have 'shakers' on the firewall, and play noise through the
> > > radio so that their new, smaller engines will, "...sound like V8s!"
> > Source:
> > > Car and Driver magazine. So fake! Who wants an M3 that sounds like a
> > > Camaro? And who wants an M3 with a smaller engine? I'd bet BMW is soon
> to
> > > find out!
> > >
> > > -rick
> > >
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