Ferrari Mailing List: Re: OT - BMW M3

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

It's only money, but I don't believe the hype. 

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On Dec 4, 2014, at 8:40 PM, John Ashburne <jashburne [at] aol.com> wrote:

It's been a while but nice to see that your pendulum has not only swung back to the "a bunch of interesting cars is good to have" side but seems to have anchored there!

Free market capitalism the way it should be!

John

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On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I'm likely going to get an Abarth to replace (add to) my Prima Edizione 500.  I've got other stuff if I want to make the Joneses feel poor...

 

Regards,
Erik

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote:

All good back story. My '99 E36 was an M3A convertible. Automatic box. The car was okay but not the fire breathing dragon it was promised to be.

On the other hand, my decade newer Cayman is outstanding.

-rick

-------- Original message --------

From: Fellippe Galletta

Date:12/04/2014 9:12 AM (GMT-06:00)

To: Rick Lindsay

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - BMW M3

Rick,

For the price of a regular E30 (not an M3), it seems like a really ideal
car for a few thousand bucks no? After all, for the car collectors
(accumulators?) some of us tend to be (or will be), it seems like a lot of
value. A BMW that legitimately attempts to be the Ultimate Driving Machine
and not some fancy yuppy car. And for the record I have no issue with
buying cars for prestige, but BMWs of modern day tend to annoy me -- the
image of one, not so much the car itself. Nobody is buying an older 3
series for image.

And as for that E36 M3 you had....it's an old enough car now that one
shouldn't mistake it for luxury. Even most new BMWs lack a pretty nice
interior unless it's a 7 or something. A Mercedes Benz would accomplish the
luxury thing better I think.

BTW , back to the 135/1M.....the one little knock I'll give the 1M is that
it's not an M3 V8 in a 1 series, but a more powerful turbo 6 from the 135.
I guess the cannibalism fear from BMW prevented them from dropping a more
"pure" motor in the obviously more pure car. What they didn't realize is
that very few of the cool kids but 1 series for the image.

Can't have perfection in this world. The E46 M3 CSL was about as pure a
Bimmer as you could find in the modern day but they never offered it with a
proper manual trans (or in the US market for that matter). That could have
been a legend.

Somebody told me that either BMW or Benz Engineers (the more senior ones)
have the ability to make their own custom cars.....a mostly stock 3/5/7
series or C/E/S class car but with stuff that guys like us would want.I'd
imagine they could achieve the proper nirvana even rich boys can't have.

Would be nice if that story was true.

FG

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

> I haven't driven a 1 series but would not turn down a drive in a 135. The
> E30M3 I owned a decade ago, was a good car but a beast to keep optimally
> tuned. My E36M3 stayed in tune but tried to be a performance car and a
> luxury car at the same time, never actually achieving either 100%.
>
> OTOH, I had an '89 E30 325i with a manual gearbox. It is right near the
> top of all cars I have ever owned! A VERY fun car to drive. Great handling
> and with enough high-end power to be spirited, but not so much as to
> preclude thrashing it on the street.
>
> -rick
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Fellippe Galletta
> Date:12/04/2014 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Rick Lindsay
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OT - BMW M3
>
> Terrible the gimmicks they feel they have to put into cars nowadays, and
> the fallacy that you can replace V8s with turbo V6s. :)
>
> I like M3s and BMWs in general, but this is too much.
>
> Those old E30/E36 M3s were the best. E46 and E90 are nice too but in a
> different way.
>
> E30 M3s are rare and $$$....but I hear a regular 325 is good enough. E36 M3
> go for not a ton of money.
>
> For a newish BMW, the one I really like are those 1 series.....1M would be
> my favorite but a bit pricey. 135 might be best buy.
>
> I drove a 128 a bunch of times....nice dynamics, just no power.
>
> Anyone here ever drive one?
>
> FG
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am a previous owner of an E30M3 and an E36M3 but now I officially like
> > BMW even less - new BMW, that is.
> >
> > The new M3s have 'shakers' on the firewall, and play noise through the
> > radio so that their new, smaller engines will, "...sound like V8s!"
> Source:
> > Car and Driver magazine. So fake! Who wants an M3 that sounds like a
> > Camaro? And who wants an M3 with a smaller engine? I'd bet BMW is soon to
> > find out!
> >
> > -rick
> >
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