Ferrari Mailing List: Re: 488 GTB

[Adam Green (FlatCrank]

I lost your point in the typo's, but in the dismissive words of a typical yank teenager, "whatev's and nope, nope, nope."

: )

kidding!

I was comparing the for-fiddy-ate y'all to the nessex 'cos they're both misbegotten trilobites in their design, in my humble opinion.

As for the early V6 Acura, it was a sensational car in its day and became a cult classic in hot demand for the last 10+ years.

Quizzically -- and I fail to see your choice to attempt the connection -- the same high praise is true for the original "Godzilla" GTR (nothing to do with the modern day GTR techno-whiz-bang-flash dead weight.)

I've driven a 720+ hp, 520 lb-ft beast Porsche 993 turbo at Laguna Seca and not been able to match the pace of a supercharged NSX (mainly due to front tire section limits and consequently limited low speed braking effort) that frequented the track (with some lap records and infamy of the highest praise to the driver for being able to navigate traffic with closing speeds of sometimes 100 mph differential in the braking zones ... looking at race data, it was sometimes hard to believe you were looking at a road car compared to my 2800lb "lightweight.")  The NSX is, to my eye, for its time, one of the most exotic and appealing cars ever to arrive on the drafting table of a Japanese auto maker.  It's only a shame it was built with a generic parts bin cabin and less than inspiring power train ... short of in-board coil-overs, the suspension was state of the art.  I was at Bathurst in the early 90's when an NSX crashed and bent the frame.  The driver emerged in good health.  The race team took the chassis to a truck-align and with its maximal effort could not pull the frame straight -- it was just too stiff and resisted what must have been astonishingly high forces (if sufficient to pull a truck frame ... not just a car frame at a mere few hundreds of tons of force)  The general consensus on that weekend was to say that such a high speed hit in any normal steel framed car would have been catastrophic and left the car in pieces.  The aluminium of the Honda took the hit.  For all the jeering and put downs at seeing a "Jap" car at a race dominated by dinkum Aussie family cars for so many years (even though they're all 90%+ US market hand-me-downs ... any true blue petrol in the veins Aussie wants a Holden (or Ford) push rod V8 ... no replacement for displacement ... all that stuff ...) we all came away impressed and curious.  I later ended up hillclimbing racing an Australian built "Commodore" with a Nissan turbo straight six that with just pocket change upgrade was light and blisteringly quick, and nigh on bullet proof if I kept an eye on the exhaust gas temps ...

The thing that strikes me about the NSX of the 90's or even early 2000's is that it's a respected car.  Rather like a Cosworth or Alpine, or maybe a split widow Vette ... car aficionados, or hot rodders, or quarter mile drag racers, or hood gang punks ... everyone respects some cars for their merits, not for their dollar dollar bill y'all.

 

Adam

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

OMG you really the the NSX is going to be something

Please they got there ass handed to them years back with that shit box V6 Acura engine 

The japs ( not being politically correct here sorry) don't get  when it comes to high performance cars 

Bottom line if you have $80K plus your really going to drop it on a YANG CAR !

Just look at the GTR shit and what it brings 

Lego styling with lots of horse power ! 

Gotta go your making me sick and I am vacation in SBH 

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On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com> wrote:

​The 458 is sympatico?  I think it's impressive from its flattering angles and perspectives, but the headlights are obnoxious and cheap, then it only gets worse in the cabin with painted plastic bits ... I've seen a Speciale with mega-buck DART stripes and laundry list of carbon cabin trim -- it was quite sumptuous, but a jaw-dropping "cottage by the sea" price tag for an already obsolescent vehicle (though with the cachet of perhaps being the swan song of Ferrari naturally aspirated donks.)  Certainly the most appealing view of the 458 to my eye:

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Well, who am I to judge, from the front, I just don't see the 458 as distinct (let alone superior) compared to a (forthcoming) NSX.  At least it's not a 612 or a California (gawd awful, both of them, very hard on the eyes and heavy curb weight.)  Hard to comprehend how the 599 (brilliant, if you ask me) can exist, proving ​

Pininfarina

​ can do a car in modern language, yet deliver the 612, which to me looks like a second rate attempt from a first year design student.​

Adam

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:16 AM, George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

I agree with both of you, mostly.  I think the 328 was too "soft", and the F430 was what the 360 should have been from the start.  That said, like Matt (not to put words in his mouth, er, keyboard, er phonepad...), I find the 458 and the 488 to be beautiful, lithe, and tres TRES sexy, like a hot swimsuit model.  ;-)

gp

>
> I agree with Matt. Thought V8 styling was in a dry spell from the 328 (too fiddled with) to the F430. When I saw a 458 for the first time in Tokyo, I actually said "wow".
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We're all different, but I think the 458 (and apparently the 488 since it is very similarly styled) is beautiful from all the angles I've seen it from! :-)
> >
> > -matt
> > '85 308

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