Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 107, Issue 17 radiator heat.

How much of a temp differential from old motor?  A wetting agent will give
you better heat transfer, just a  suggestion!
Maybe change it 5-10 degrees.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:14:27 -0400
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
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Guys decide to do a major cooling system flush and check the car temps If
this doesn't solve it I will replace both radiators That's where I think the
problem is anyway after 20 plus years and over 100k miles on them the
thermal efficiency has most likely gone down a little just enough to make
the temps rise Re torquing the heads is not advised as per the book and many
I have passed this suggestion too.
Will keep the list informed
I messed up
While I had the engine out I should have done this, so take heed.
I did everything else why not that!
I could have had a V8(TV commercial)
Later guys gotta go fly 

In victory you deserve Champagne
In defeat you need it!

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun! 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero
Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.          
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:46:31 +1000
From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
To: "'Clyde Romero'" <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Solution
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Can you explain something to me?..if it?s only just started doing it since
the new engine went in, why would it be the radiators all of a sudden?
Surely they don?t just fail overnight, do they?

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Of Clyde Romero
Sent: Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:14 PM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] Solution

Guys decide to do a major cooling system flush and check the car temps

If this doesn't solve it I will replace both radiators 

That's where I think the problem is anyway after 20 plus years and over 100k
miles on them the thermal efficiency has most likely gone down a little just
enough to make the temps rise 

Re torquing the heads is not advised as per the book and many I have passed
this suggestion too.

Will keep the list informed 

I messed up 

While I had the engine out I should have done this, so take heed.

I did everything else why not that!

I could have had a V8(TV commercial)

Later guys gotta go fly 

In victory you deserve Champagne

In defeat you need it!

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules

You miss all the fun! 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero

Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net <mailto:Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> .    

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:55:49 -0500
From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
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That's why I think it is more heat transfer related with the engine.  Where
is the temp sensor positioned on the 512TR?

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote:

> Can you explain something to me?..if it?s only just started doing it 
> since the new engine went in, why would it be the radiators all of a
sudden?
> Surely they don?t just fail overnight, do they?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=
> pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] *On Behalf Of *Clyde Romero
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:14 PM
> *To:* Peter Pless
> *Cc:* The FerrariList
> *Subject:* [Ferrari] Solution
>
>
>
> Guys decide to do a major cooling system flush and check the car temps
>
> If this doesn't solve it I will replace both radiators
>
> That's where I think the problem is anyway after 20 plus years and 
> over 100k miles on them the thermal efficiency has most likely gone 
> down a little just enough to make the temps rise
>
> Re torquing the heads is not advised as per the book and many I have 
> passed this suggestion too.
>
> Will keep the list informed
>
> I messed up
>
> While I had the engine out I should have done this, so take heed.
>
> I did everything else why not that!
>
> I could have had a V8(TV commercial)
>
> Later guys gotta go fly
>
>
>
> In victory you deserve Champagne
>
> In defeat you need it!
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
>
>
> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
>
>
>
> If you follow all the rules
>
> You miss all the fun!
>
>
>
> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
>
>
>
> Clyde Romero
>
> Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
>
> 678  6419932
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 10:03:54 -0400
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Solution
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That's typical of an old Raditor
Sediments build up and block the core 

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies
You have no character ! 

In Victory you deserve Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!

If you obey all the rules
You miss all the fun !

> On Jun 16, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> Can you explain something to me?..if it?s only just started doing it since
the new engine went in, why would it be the radiators all of a sudden?
Surely they don?t just fail overnight, do they?
>  
>  
>  
> From: Ferrari 
> [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On 
> Behalf Of Clyde Romero
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:14 PM
> To: Peter Pless
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: [Ferrari] Solution
>  
> Guys decide to do a major cooling system flush and check the car temps 
> If this doesn't solve it I will replace both radiators That's where I 
> think the problem is anyway after 20 plus years and over 100k miles on 
> them the thermal efficiency has most likely gone down a little just enough
to make the temps rise Re torquing the heads is not advised as per the book
and many I have passed this suggestion too.
> Will keep the list informed
> I messed up
> While I had the engine out I should have done this, so take heed.
> I did everything else why not that!
> I could have had a V8(TV commercial)
> Later guys gotta go fly
>  
> 
> In victory you deserve Champagne
> In defeat you need it!
>  
>      
> 
> 
> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
>  
> If you follow all the rules
> You miss all the fun! 
>  
> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
>  
> Clyde Romero
> Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.          
> 678  6419932
>  
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:11:30 -0700
From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Solution
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I've put Clyde in touch with a friend who is extremely over qualified so
he's in good hands (Let's say top 5 race motor engineers on the planet who
just happens to be a TR owner and a one time Enzo Ferrari and Paul Roesch
employee). It'll get resolved.... Or he'll be buying beer for years!

  I think you are both sitting right on the edge of this issue.  

Yes, radiators are notorious for going sour in a non-linear fashion.  Once
they start to load up, they don't dissipate heat as well, the additional
heat soak causes more build-up, causes more heat, causes more build-up...
vicious cycle once it starts.   Not saying that's the case here, but it's a
known failure mode.  

As we all know, motors are nothing more than air pumps and heat
generators... Nature of the beast.   Obviously there were "tired" issues
with Clyde's old motor.  New motor runs better.   Ergo, more air pumping,
more heat being generated.  I suspect that if there is a rad problem, there
was enough new heat load from the new motor to tip the balance on the
system.  

Not so much that the rads just went sour, the new motor may have caused it.

Seen it time and time again at the race track, hot rods, tuner cars.   Just
because the Lake Erie radiator you have in the car worked great on the old
motor, doesn't mean it will work on the new motor.  

But, there are a litany of options being discussed, this is step one.
Doing a scour flush can't hurt a healthy system and if it does expose a
problem then it's a problem better found than lurking.  

Rick

> On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:55 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That's why I think it is more heat transfer related with the engine.
Where is the temp sensor positioned on the 512TR?
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
wrote:
>> Can you explain something to me?..if it?s only just started doing it
since the new engine went in, why would it be the radiators all of a sudden?
Surely they don?t just fail overnight, do they?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Ferrari 
>> [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Clyde Romero
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 June 2015 10:14 PM
>> To: Peter Pless
>> Cc: The FerrariList
>> Subject: [Ferrari] Solution
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Guys decide to do a major cooling system flush and check the car 
>> temps
>> 
>> If this doesn't solve it I will replace both radiators
>> 
>> That's where I think the problem is anyway after 20 plus years and 
>> over 100k miles on them the thermal efficiency has most likely gone 
>> down a little just enough to make the temps rise
>> 
>> Re torquing the heads is not advised as per the book and many I have
passed this suggestion too.
>> 
>> Will keep the list informed
>> 
>> I messed up
>> 
>> While I had the engine out I should have done this, so take heed.
>> 
>> I did everything else why not that!
>> 
>> I could have had a V8(TV commercial)
>> 
>> Later guys gotta go fly
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In victory you deserve Champagne
>> 
>> In defeat you need it!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>      
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you follow all the rules
>> 
>> You miss all the fun! 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Clyde Romero
>> 
>> Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.          
>> 
>> 678  6419932
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 107, Issue 17 radiator heat.	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Michael Maulucci (michaelmauluccicomcast.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 09:57:04 -0700 (PDT)