Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Steel plugs in aluminum heads

[Robert W. Garven Jr. (rgarven]

I use copper anti seize as someone probably smarter than I told me it helped the plug shed heat. 

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On Nov 16, 2015, at 4:08 PM, John Ashburne via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

Depends whether we are talking a metric grunt or not, I suppose! 😊

Sounds right for aluminum heads. Also, I agree that a few drops of oil is a good idea and start threading them in by hand to finger tight helps prevent cross threading those soft threads.

 I don't think anti-seize is needed at all unless Rick plans not to change those plugs for another 20 years!  Seizing shouldn't be a problem with a more normal usage. 

John

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On Nov 16, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Grahame Reinthal <grahame [at] reinthal.com.au> wrote:

Ah, so it looks like “¾ of a grunt” might be equal to “hand tight then ¼ turn”!  J

 

 

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Hand tight 

Then 1/4 turn 

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On Nov 16, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Okay, so once the plugs are out, what should they be tightened to when put back in?

 

Ferrari's recommendation for the 308 is at 2 KgM (roughly translates to 14.5 lb-ft or 19.6 Nm). It "feels" about right for an aluminum head. Just as good for the Maserati?

 

As much as I'm a proponent for anti-seize, I DON'T like using it on spark plugs, because as the carrier evaporates and gets consumed but the engine, you're left behind with micro particles of metal that can fall into the combustion chamber. I've always used a drop of engine oil on the threads (and back off every so slightly on the rec'd torque values as oil tends to ramp up those amounts)...

 

Peter

 

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I am taking notes on all of this. Never stop learning!

 

Good luck, Rick!

 

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On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:57 PM, "Doug & Terri" <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

Oh – and try tightening them a bit – just a tug, then try extracting.

DOUG

 

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Subject: [Ferrari] Steel plugs in aluminum heads

 

Hi Friends,

I need to change the spark plugs in my old Maserati. They are really tight, and may not gave been changed in 20 years! I have not forced them free for fear of thread damage.

What tricks do you guys use to avoid thread damage? Can penetrating oil get past the crush washers? Would it be better to remove the plugs with a hot engine? Should I just avoid the problem all together?

Advice please?

-rick

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