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Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48
From: LS (lashdeepyahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:05:47 -0800 (PST)
It could very well have been another Countach that he owned.

All we need is a picture! Anyone willing to provide us with one?

We promise not to laugh at denim shorts!
 
LSJ

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From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: Ferrari List <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48

Now that I’m thinking about it, what he was showing us was how to synchronize the throttles properly for the various carbs, but he absolutely put the airflow meter on intakes at the TOP of the motor. Maybe I’m just not up on carb tech, but wouldn’t sidedraft carbs be drawing air from the sides of the motor?
 
I know he owned several Countaches and at least one Diablo 6.0. Is it possible the Hallet car was a downdraft QV?
 
 
From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:08 PM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: Ferrari List
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48
 
CG, it was definitely not a DD but a "regular" 5000S 2 valve.
 
And, I'm assuming we're talking about *the* Martz Countach and not one of many that he has owned?
 
Obviously an amazing car still...but not quite the same thing.
 
 
LSJ


central
wines-spirits   est 1934
 
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
 
 
 
202-737-2800
 
 
 
 
From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: Ferrari List <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48
 
Am I remembering it wrong? It was definitely a downdraft, since I recall him showing us how to synch the carbs at Hallett, but I guess I don’t know if there were 2V downdrafts or only QVs?
 
 
From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:17 PM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: Ferrari List
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48
 
CG, is that also the time you performed your own torsional rigidity test on the TR?
 
Martz had a terrific black 5000S 2valve which I fondly remember driving around Santa Fe, NM a *long* time ago.
 
Epic memories!
 
Nutty full circle...I rode in that car again 3 yrs ago from Gilroy to Monterey.
 
LSJ

central
wines-spirits   est 1934
 
625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
 
 
 
202-737-2800
 
 
 
 
From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: Ferrari List <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48
 
Good memory, Erik! Definitely extreme pucker factor there. I had the TR on the track twice – once at Talladega (short track, not super-speedway) and once at the big list gathering at Hallett. Definitely cooked the brakes like mad at Talladega, but that was originally built as a motorcycle track, so the poor TR was even more out of its element than it would’ve been at a “normal” track.
 
After that fun I upgraded my TR brakes to the F50 setup. I’ve never overheated them since, but I did create a different problem wherein at heavy braking I can now lock the front wheels pretty much instantaneously. I’ve had to re-learn my braking in that car under panic situations to break lightly for a split second to get some forward weight transfer, and then go heavy into them. Works, but still an eye-opener each time. I looked into installing a proportioning valve that could vary the brake bias and push a little more toward the rear but never found anyone in whom I felt comfort assigning that work.
 
I can’t honestly remember whether I did the F50 upgrade before or after the Hallett track day, but I do remember the car was HUGE fun there, both figuratively and literally. Hallett is a much larger track with nice flow and a good front straight. I’m sure the smaller, lighter cars were much faster on timed laps, but I just know the TR kept me giggling like an idiot all day. One of my fondest memories is chasing Joe Martz around that day in his downdraft QV Countach (also not an ideal track car). The two of us had a few lovely four wheel drifts coming around the entrance corner onto the main straight and then hammering the two 12s – it was just amazing.
 
In fact, the Hallett trip was one of the most fun and memorable of my life, so hats off to Rick Lindsay and a couple of other Tulsa residents at the time for organizing the first “national” level List event.
 
 
 
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolina-sound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Erik Nielsen
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:39 PM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: Ferrari List
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48
 
The TR’s were definitely not track ready, especially the brakes.  I’ll defer to Charles to explain exactly what he said when the middle pedal went to the floor with nothing happening at Talledega many years ago...
 
 
On Dec 28, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
 
Well, there is that....
 
In my world (not recommended for anyone), the TRs were never really "sports cars" intended for cornering as Peter brought up.  They were built for the US market, point and shoot, freeway eaters.  And they are damn good at that!  Get near a track and I'd bet on the German tail slapper.   Unless said track has a really long straight. 
 
Just my 2 pesos...
Rick

On Dec 28, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Or that TTO is one of the few appealing things about an older 911.....for those that can handle it at least.
 
 
 
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:
Is anyone else amused that the owner of a 512TR makes fun of a Porsche for having trailing throttle oversteer? 
 
Just sayin’
 
From: Doug & Terri [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2015 4:59 PM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: 'Ferrari List'
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 113, Issue 48
 
RM notes “That was always the fun of coming up behind a 911 variant on track.”
 
Picture this – 1978 Lemans – The Porsche 935’s twin KKK turbos were getting beaten right at the end of the Mulsanne Straight.  After the race, Porsche guys talked with Renault team and asked them how they always managed to snooker them at that corner.  Easy was the reply – going down Mulsanne Straight you turbos turn white hot.  When our driver saw them go from white to yellow to orange - - - we knew you were off the gas.  Voila.  Snooker.
DOUG

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