Ferrari Mailing List: Re: artcurial motorsports auction results

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

I average 1x a month.  And it fights with more than just the red cars for attention.  It is a good mid-range drive car.

On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

How often do you drive yours with a 308 and 365?

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Get a Mondial.

On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

An aftermarket MOMO does just fine.....probably better that way with the greater variety.

360 probably a better car, but a virgin F owner needs that gated manual. :)

FG

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Just recognize that you’ll need to rebuild the heads on a 355 at some point, and probably again if you own the car a while.

For the steering wheel, does it need to come in the expensive yellow box with black horses or do you want the same part?

http://www.momousa.com/racing/steering-wheels.html

It’s just a Momo wheel with a Ferrari center cap.

If it was me, I’d start with a 360 Challenge with the electronic dash and F1.  Still a shit box street car turned into a race car, but the aero difference were amazing.  If you’re going to go over curbs, get the GT3 wing or be prepared to spend a shit load on body repairs.

YMMV,

Erik

On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I have an attachment to the '95 355 because of OBDI....

Is that a healthy attachment or not? :)

ps - Easy to source the suede Challenge steering wheel? 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:

I think the shocker mounts were also reinforced at the factory for the ’95 challenge. This became standard in all 355s later in the production run.

 

From: Erik Nielsen [mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2016 8:42 AM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: ferrari
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] artcurial motorsports auction results

 

Going from memory, the '95 had the mounting points for the roll cage pre-welded from the factory.  Everything else came in a crate.  The engines were exactly the same as the road car (at least until the games at the track started).  That's why the '96+ cars weren't street legal, the engine management system was OBDI compliant, you needed OBDII in 96.

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

What did the '95 challenge come stock with, and what was included in the kit?

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

The 1995 Challenge car was the last one street legal in the US, so long as you didn't install the kit.  None of those components were ever homologated for road use. 

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I remember seeing one of those Japanese car shows comparing the newer exotics to old and the 355 Challenge was slightly faster than a 430 around the track. 

 

Serious!

 

I wonder where exactly the 355 CH loses it's streetability......would be a tremendous road car.

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:

I can assure you all, having owned a road registered 355ch for many years, that they are one hell of a car and a very different animal to a normal 355. The one described below is a rare animal, because, as Erik said, most of them are just worn out old race hacks. Cars like my old one and the one below and a rare and wonderful find.

 

From: Erik Nielsen [mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2016 12:31 AM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: ferrari
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] artcurial motorsports auction results

 

This car, first registered on 28 March 1996 is one of 108 units made of the Type F129 AB. In its original "Gialo Modena" shade, it has undergone a complete refurbishment by Color Dream (bodywork suppliers to Art Grand Prix, the racing team of Frederic Vasseur and Nicolas Prost). The work particularly concerns a complete engine disassembly with the replacement of belts and all joints (the original engine block, in excellent condition, has been preserved and will be provided to the future owner); fefurbished Speedline alloy rims; new F40 LM brake calipers; new dashboard, door panels, windshield and rear window. Furthermore, the original OMP carbon seats were completely restored by Sellerie 3000, from Chatelet-en- Brie (partners of Oreca). A complete picture  file is part of the file that comes with the car.

During its racing career, this car took part in the Challenge Ferrari France from 1998 to 2000 through Modena Motors dealership with Alberto Voltoni. The present owner acquired the car in February 2001 from the dealer François Jakubowski and entered the Rallye de Paris and the Ferrari Pirelli Maranello Challenge at Spa in May, before participating in the French Endurance Championship VdeV in the colors of the Kodak, from 2004 to 2007.

Currently the car displays only 17,000km on the odo, and is equipped with the Challenge 99 kit with the rear spoiler in carbon bre. The car comes with its two technical passports FFSA dated October 18, 1998 and May 31, 2008.

Refurbished with over €40,000 in recent invoices and more than double since 2001, this car is one of the few registered F355 Challenges with clear history. Easily comparable to a Porsche 911 RS, this car had the reputation of being very dynamically balanced and easier to drive. Next year for its 20th birthday, it will be eligible for Ferrari Classiche, this worthy successor to the Ferrari 250 GT SWB is eligible for most of the prestigious competitions, and can reach the track by road.

On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

Clyde:

 

That Challenge car is one of the best in existence and hasn’t been abused, you could say it is restored to a race car standard.  I would take that data point as an outlier, and not paint all of the tired former racers on our side of the pond with the same brush.

 

Still cheaper than some of the track junk that Porsche has been selling to dentists for DE events.

 

Erik

 

On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:55 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com wrote:

 

These prices are more realistic 

Someone got burned with the 355 challenge car 

You can see the TR's didn't bring stupid money 

In fact the 1995 didn't even sell!

And the DINO was over paid big time as well

In victory you deserve Champagne

In defeat you need it!

 

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You miss all the fun! 

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero    

 

 

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On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Results are up.  I’d say the market has spoken, blue chip cars will bring strong money, overpriced common cars will be sent home with their dreaming owner.  Hopefully this will spook the speculators to second guess.  Long live the free market.

 

Erik

 

RESULTS FOR SALE 2877, RÉTROMOBILE 2016 BY ARTCURIAL MOTORCARS.

Generated at 1:45:52 PM on the Monday, February 08, 2016,

The following prices includes the buyer’s premium and taxes.

Prices shown in EUR Euros converted from EUR Euro at 1, Exchange rates provided for approximation only.

Lot	Description	Price	Result
101	1961 Mercedes-Benz 190 SL No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 12104010020902- Française dorigine, troisième main- Voiture incro	€ 89,400	Sold
102	1982 Ferrari 308 GTSi No reserve	€ 53,640	Sold
103	1939 Peugeot 202 Cabriolet No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n°853981- Rare version cabriolet- Bel état de présentation- Peugeot,	€ 23,840	Sold
104	1955 Peugeot 203 C cabriolet No reserve	€ 65,560	Sold
105	1953 Renault Frégate Ondine Cabriolet par Ghia No reserve	€ 77,480	Sold
106	1937 Peugeot 201 M Cabriolet No reserve	€ 33,376	Sold
107	1971 Fiat 500 Lusso No reserve	€ 16,688	Sold
108	1971 Dino 246 GT Série M	€ 357,600	Sold
109	1971 Alfa Romeo 1750 No reserve	€ 27,416	Sold
110	1971 BMW 2002 cabriolet No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 2790182- 1 des 200 exemplaires construits- Entretien soigné - Bel ét	€ 61,984	Sold
111	1989 Ferrari 412 No reserve	€ 89,400	Sold
112	1986 Ferrari Testarossa	€ 154,960	Sold
113	1971 Lamborghini Espada Série II	--	Unsold
114	1985 BMW M635 CSI No reserve	€ 41,720	Sold
115	1968 Morris Minor 1000 Traveller No reserve	€ 16,688	Sold
116	1986 Ferrari Testarossa Spider Valeo	€ 1,210,080	Sold
117	1980 Ferrari 512 BB	--	Unsold
118	2010 Ferrari California coupé-cabriolet Pininfarina	€ 393,360	Sold
119	1995 Ferrari 512 TR	--	Unsold
120	1972 Alfa Romeo Junior 1600 Zagato No reserve	€ 73,904	Sold
121	1963 Osca 1600 GT cabriolet par Fissore	€ 202,640	Sold
122	1965 ASA 1000 GT coupé	€ 135,888	Sold
123	1963 Italia 2000	€ 89,400	Sold
124	1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA	€ 441,040	Sold
125	1954 Jaguar XK 120 No reserve	--	Unsold
126	1954 Jaguar XK 120 No reserve	€ 111,360	Sold
127	1952 Ford Comète No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° : 766Caisse n° : 767Moteur n°: 700109- Carrosserie Facel- Voiture rare, sur	€ 49,945	Sold
128	1960 Facel Vega HK 500	€ 107,280	Sold
129	1951 Salmson G72 Coupé par Saoutchik	€ 184,760	Sold
130	1952 Delahaye 235 coupé Chapron	€ 298,000	Sold
131	1950 Talbot Lago Record Grand Sport cabriolet Graber	€ 202,640	Sold
132	1957 Facel Vega FV4	€ 226,480	Sold
133	1954 Vega 54 Prototype V par Facel Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° FV-54-0002 - Première Facel Vega jamais produite - Véhicule impo	€ 500,640	Sold
134	1952 Delahaye 235 coupé Chapron Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 818040Carrosserie n° 7008- Un des trois Coupés Delahaye 235 construit p	€ 160,920	Sold
135	1957 Facel Vega FV4 Titre de circulation suisseChâssis n° FV4-57-235(Numéro FV4-57-NY8 frappé sur lauto car il sagit de la 8ème FV4 e	€ 268,200	Sold
136	1960 Maserati 3500 GT Vignale Spyder Capot Long	€ 548,320	Sold
137	1968 Ferrari 330 GTC No reserve Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 11589Moteur n°11589- Même propriétaire depuis 23 ans- Avant-dernière 33	€ 536,400	Sold
138	1963 Ferrari 250 GT SWB Berlinetta	--	Unsold
139	1971 Porsche 911 2,4 L S Targa	€ 154,960	Sold
140	1976 Porsche Carrera 2,7L Carte grise françaiseChâssis n° 9116609116Moteur n° 6668129Type n° 911/83- Rare état dorigine- Historique co	--	Unsold
141	1970 Porsche 911 2,2L E No reserve	€ 92,976	Sold
142	1988 Porsche 959 Carte grise allemandeChâssis n° WPOZZZ95ZJS900032- Vendue neuve à un multiple Champion du Monde de Moto-Cross- Moins d	--	Unsold
143	1969 Lamborghini Islero S	€ 220,520	Sold
144	1966 Lamborghini 350 GT Touring	--	Unsold
145	1978 Maserati Khamsin	€ 166,880	Sold
146	1969 Lamborghini Espada Série 1	--	Unsold
147	1971 De Tomaso Mangusta	€ 327,800	Sold
148	1975 Lamborghini Countach LP 400 coupé Periscopio	€ 1,072,800	Sold
149	1966 Austin Mini Cooper S No reserve	€ 41,720	Sold
150	1961 Austin Mini Countryman No reserve	€ 60,792	Sold
151	1998 Mini John Cooper Works MPI No reserve	€ 71,520	Sold
152	2001 Mini Cooper S Works n°50/50 No reserve	€ 53,640	Sold
153	1961 Austin Mini Countryman No reserve Carte grise française Châssis n° M AW4L72058- Une des toutes premières Countryman construites- C	€ 69,136	Sold
154	1957 Aston Martin DB2/4 MkIII coupé	€ 274,160	Sold
155	1959 AC Ace Bristol roadster	€ 321,840	Sold
156	1961 Aston Martin DB4	€ 536,400	Sold
157	1963 Aston Martin DB4 Convertible Serie 5	€ 1,473,200	Sold
158	1960 Lancia Flaminia Sport Zagato 2.5L Sans documents de circulation Châssis n° 824.03-2067Moteur n° 82300-5063- Elégant coupé italien-	--	Unsold
159	1965 Maserati Mistral Spider Titre de circulation suédoisChâssis n° AM 109/S/085Moteur n° AM109/S/085- Un des tous premiers spider vend	--	Unsold
160	1978 Maserati Khamsin	--	Unsold
161	1972 Ligier JS2 No reserve	€ 143,040	Sold
162	1974 Alpine V6 Poisson Dieppois	--	Unsold
163	1970 Alpine A110 1600 S Groupe IV - Ex Jean Saurel	€ 116,816	Sold
164	1963 Renault Dauphine 1093 No reserve	€ 42,912	Sold
165	1956 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint No reserve	€ 45,296	Sold
166	1976 Lancia Stratos	--	Unsold
167	1989 Ferrari Testarossa	€ 107,280	Sold
168	1985 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole No reserve	€ 131,120	Sold
169	1972 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona	€ 953,600	Sold
170	1957 Ferrari 335 Sport Scaglietti	€ 32,075,200	Sold
171	1973 Fiat 500 Speziale No reserve	€ 21,456	Sold
172	1987 Ferrari 328 GTS No reserve Titre de circulation suisseChâssis n° ZFFCA20S000072001Moteur n°111 - Vendue neuve en suisse- Etat exce	€ 90,592	Sold
173	1996 Ferrari F355 Challenge	€ 176,416	Sold
174	1971 Ferrari Daytona 365 GTB/4 Spider, conversion par Straman	--	Unsold

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