Ferrari Mailing List: Re: General Ferrari/exotic market cycle

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

And why my last purchase was a 1976 Rolls Royce.  One that I just spent 84% of the purchase price again just for the parts to rebuild the brake system.

On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:

That is why i just bought a 1974 Dino !!!! 

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On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Not providing legal advice, but then again, that activity is illegal under most state codes.  Ohio as an quick example.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4549.20v1

See section B.

(B) No person shall install or reinstall in any motor vehicle a counterfeit or nonfunctional air bag or any object intended to fulfill the function of an air bag other than an air bag that was designed in conformance with or that is regulated by federal motor vehicle safety standard number 208 for the make, model, and model year of the vehicle, knowing that the object is not in accordance with that standard.

Clyde is right, if the part to repair it back to the legal standard is not available, off the road it goes.

Let's not even get started with tort law assuming someone is injured because of a non functioning supplemental restraint system... 

If you want to play design engineer at home, it makes a lot of sense to start with a chassis made prior to 1967.

Careful what you recommend Fellippe, those PE letters after your name come with a tremendous amount of public safety responsibility.

YMMV,

Erik

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I was gonna say...

Perfect excuse to go aftermarket MOMO, lose the airbag feel.......

Cheers!

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] buxtonmotorsports.com> wrote:

Can't you drive it without an airbag?  Like every pre-1986 vehicle?

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On 3/22/16 7:57 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com wrote:

Oh here is one for the list

If your own a 550/575 and blow the air bag 

The car is totaled 

Because there are NO AIR BAG ECU's available anywhere !

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In defeat you need it!

     

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules

You miss all the fun! 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, “there will be too many”.

Yep, that’s the problem, they made too many of them.  The question is how proprietary are the bits that go on a Ferrari compared to the rest of Magnetti Marelli and Bosch bits?  I think it is going to be a bigger challenge than most think.  Especially if someone is trying to bring one back from the dead.

Let’s face it, there are F40s out there that are not running because of electrical component availability.  If someone hasn’t reversed engineered bits for a $1 Mio + car yet, do you think that 360s are going to turn into parts cars?

If I can pull off getting a ninth/tenth car without my wife buying a wood chipper, it will be earlier than what I have today.  Likely something that has decent spares availability.  

Erik

On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

Nah, for me, I'm dropping the Ford Coyote 5.0 into the back of a 360... ;)

The whole electronics thing, I think, will be worked around.

There are a number of stand-alone, DIY engine management systems available today that can plug-N-play with a lot of OEM sensors and can drive variable valve timing, etc.

Where there's a will, there will be a way. There'll be too many of these great cars laying around, that someone out there will reverse-engineer ECUs to make them work again.

Major metropolises will enforce electric only, but I see it limited only to core city centers. (Physically) bigger countries can't be entirely electric. Also, all of those new electric cars will need to be charged... With existing, aging infrastructure. We're putting more demands on the electric grid now, so how are we going to put more on it in the future? Unless, there are MASSIVE upgrades, I don't see it taking off too soon.

I don't think it will be as dire as most people predict.

At 39, I've got time on my side that I think a lot of the great cars that slipped through my hands recently, will come back again :)

Peter

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From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf of Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net>

Sent: March 20, 2016 11:28 AM

To: PeterGT4

Cc: 'The FerrariList'

Subject: [Ferrari] FW:  General Ferrari/exotic market cycle

True true, Erik

What with modern cars requiring $40,000 in electronic testing equipment – AND the know how to use and diagnose let alone repair – I fear the brink is sometime in late 80’s to early 90’s.  Then the hot set up will be Chevy crate motor adapted to an F360 - - - alas.

DOUG

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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] General Ferrari/exotic market cycle

30 years from now, most of the “expensive” cars from the 60’s will come back to reality, those that remember them in the day and lusted after them will be dead.  Look what happened to brass era cars.   Even pre-war cars have a very limited following, unless they still have a standing class at major concours events.

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