Yes most century series fighters were in fact pigs and dangerous to fly. That's why there was such a high accident rate back then. Also here is one for the books the Voodoo was the only USAF that I knew of that Could refuel AAR both ways probe and drouge and boom receptacle! Was the ADC one the same way ? Only flew a neutered one twice in RTU and never hit the tanker with it. As you well know the Voodoo had that annoying pitch up issue at high AOA The only guys I knew that flew the wings off that thing were the Canadians They had no apparent fear of death with that airplaneThere is a good book out called It's very accurate All the best Fox -1 Kill Clyde Romero
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Hi Clyde!
So you are saying that the RF-4C was faster than the
Thud! I hadn't thought of the Recce version. My
comparison/recollection was that in full Mil power. i.e.. without A/B,
that the Thud, particularly on the deck would outrun the D & E using full
MIL power. I do recall (painfully) that a clean RF was at least 50 knots
faster than a clean D or E and that we had to escort them in various
configurations usually making us 100 knots slower. They had to slow down
for us to keep up with them (the rather dubious idea that we were
protecting them) which was not a good deal at all in NVN. So, now
that I think about it with my octogenarian brain, the RF-4C was most probably
the fastest!
Additionally, as a "defender of democracy" as old TAC guys
refer to ADC guys, I had 1200 hrs in the F-101B. To be candid,
it was a pig of an airplane. It was only worth a damn above 1.2 mach as
you probably know. I did get paired on a U-2 above 70k one time and I got
him. Got just above 60k and while inverted trying to get my nose down
below the horizon, had to hold .5G as I would have pitched up at 1G. Could
see part of Oregon down to LA. Those were the
days!!!
Check six,
CHL
Sorry Luke
Not really
I flew the RF-4C its was a different kettle of fish
entirely
And the only fighter that could out run me on
the deck was the F-111E or the FB-111
And that was at maple flag up north
I out ran many F-105 both D models and G models at
Red Flag
Along with many an F-15 and F-16 trying to run me
down at low altitude
An RF with 3 bags and a ALQ-131 pod and a 95 degrees
day could do 1.1 Mach all
Day long in mil power
I just need to tap min burner to break the Mach back
to mil
With a MACAIR centerline only and a pod I could do
1.3 Mach until I got tired or ran dry
In min burner
The Thud was fast but not as fast as an
RF-4C
Flew again against them all
Flew the RF-101C as well good bird down low but it
was a century series fighter and
Could not turn like the Thud
Clyde Romero
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You have no character !
In Victory you deserve
Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!
If you obey all the rules
You miss all the fun !
Be well,do good work,and keep in
touch
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The Thud was a good interdiction attack Fighter, the
Lightning an older generation interceptor, and the F-4 was a Jack of all
trades bird. I Liked them all and flew the F-4C, D, and E (as well as
other Fighters). The Thud was really fast in full military power( sans
A/B) and would out run an F-4 on the deck. By playing the vertical and
using a little A/B, we could take them almost every time, however. Never
engaged the Lightning, but, admired it from afar. In a no shit fight I
would take the Lightning over the Thud and The F-4 over them both,
particularly if I had an F-4E. Best aircraft I ever flew was the
F-86L.
CHL
Oh yea one more thing about that plane
It carried its external tanks on top of the wings
!
Clyde Romero
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Here's what we are doing today in the UK Clyde
with the
Ferrari club
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Tell them Britt
I know I flew international for
years
The U.K. Is now walking around in a mine field
with snow shoes on !
They are going to hit something every few feet
!
This isn't even local as Erik says
Clyde Romero
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Respectively you guys have no idea what you are talking about. You
have no idea how integrated the systems are in the EU after 40 plus
years. This is going to be all figured out in 2 years? There are several
hundred thousands of pages of laws that have to be reviewed and voted on
one by one to decide which stay and which don't. The electric and gas
systems are integrated. The bank systems and laws. The fact that after
21 years the blonde suddenly won't be legal to work as a finance
director here, drive on her drivers license, or even any of the rights
she had Monday as a tax payer and resident here for 2
decades.
The UK government is incompetent at the best of times regardless of
the party. They have no plan what to do, no systems in place and no idea
how to manage this. In many ways the EU brought this on themselves as
the UK really just wanted a common market. The EU is a mess BUT there is
no plan to leave and now the EU is going to destroy the UK in every. Way
possible to make the feel the pain some nobody else dares to vote to
leave. You may think those parts look cheap that you want to buy because
the exchange rate just crashed but they are IMPORTED into the UK or
built from imported steel ( exhausts) or on imported equipment. You
can't escape the exchange rate works both ways. Better take advance
really quick if you see any deals you like cause they next time they
have to restock those deals will be gone.
Britt in the UK ( only for another 9 months)
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I agree. This will work out better than the media thinks. If
Soros is for it, I'm against it. He was Remain. Just
sayin'.
John
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Clyde:
They still will have passports. They voted to leave the
EU, not move London to the far side of the moon…
Popcorn?
Erik
I respectfully disagree
The passport is global that every UK member has
As my mug says
This one is going to leave a mark!
Clyde Romero
Scars are tattoos with better stories
!
If you have no enemies
You have no character !
In Victory you deserve
Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!
If you obey all the rules
You miss all the fun !
Be well,do good work,and keep in
touch
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Local choice. Global impact.
Erik this isn't local by any means buddy
Clyde Romero
Scars are tattoos with better stories
!
If you have no enemies
You have no character !
In Victory you deserve
Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!
If you obey all the rules
You miss all the fun !
Be well,do good work,and keep in
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Just one more reminder that all politics is
local...
Can't wait to see what happens in November on this side
of the pond.
Erik
PS: I need more popcorn
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