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I was lucky. I retired when I was 37 yo. -----Original Message----- From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+da-rolls=comcast.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:28 PM To: Skip Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 124, Issue 24 Send Ferrari mailing list submissions to ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/listinfo/ferrari or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com You can reach the person managing the list at ferrari-owner [at] ferrarilist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ferrari digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks (Rick Moseley) 2. Re: RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks (Grahame Reinthal) 3. Re: RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks (Robert W. Garven Jr.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 09:44:45 -0800 From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> To: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks Message-ID: <58483E22-ECFD-4438-A6DD-130EDCE8D2BC [at] pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Peter, I wholeheartedly recommend the early departure. I was forced to pull the plug early (50) but it has been a blessing in disguise! Too many projects on the mountain house... haven't touched the Ferrari in a long time but it's sitting there waiting for me. Just finished a $60k retaining wall but your post has got me thinking about the car again... Rick On Nov 19, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote: This is what I'm looking forward to. I turned 40 earlier this year. Realistically, I'm planning to retire @ 60, but I'll try to "pull the pin" sooner than that. As much as I enjoy what I do, as the years pass, I find it gets in the way in what I really want to do - and that is to play with the Ferrari! Although I realize this whole career thing is what pays to keep that hobby going (and it's been a good, lucrative one)! I consider myself fortunate though to have gotten into this at an early age (bought the 308 @ age 24 when they were "worthless") and appreciate all the years of joy and sometimes frustration that it provides (even to this day!). Could be worse... Okay, back to Rob's electrical gremlins. Peter From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf of pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com <pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com> Sent: November 17, 2016 10:21 PM To: PeterGT4 Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks A Big thing in retirement is to take every silly little thing as a fun project. This is a fun part of life which requires using everything you have stuffed into your brain to date to resolve unimportant issues and to get satisfaction and enjoyment from the time spend doing so. Like your backup light, it?s really no big deal but it can be a fun exercise to make it work they way you want it to. AND that doesn?t have to be the way the factory or someone else wants it...you will make it work to satisfy your needs and desires. Carry that attitude throughout each day and ENJOY. From: Robert W. Garven Jr. Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:15 PM To: Paul Bennett Cc: Paul ; The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks >From what I was told all the original parts were used in the car refurbished or replaced with new old stock parts. the wiring harness was removed taken apart all the wires checked for continuity and then it was reassembled and reinstalled. there was an awful lot of work done on this car, but just all sorts of little bugs and details that I need to either run down and fix! It took me 25 years to get a car built in Italy to start working perfectly, so it makes sense it would be even harder to get a car that was completely disassembled and put back together again dialed in! I'm also having problems with the tachometer and speedometer jerking wildly and then when the car is running well and warmed up they settle down to be normal? Several people have told me that in a complete restoration it is a last 5% of issues that are the hardest to settle and the most expensive I think that's where I am at. I am retiring in a month so hypothetically but I'm not playing in the band or traveling I can spend most my time trying to fix stuff!! Ha Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > It's possible they could have used a 308 wiring harness for a U.S. car... My guess. I have severe doubts he would have had someone build each wire and loom it into a harness. Time is money. A LOT easier to buy an OEM NOS harness (I've seen 'em on ebay). > > > > If you get a chance Rob, open your glove box door and get a good close-up picture of the fuse boxes, especially the right-hand box and post it here. Paul and the rest of us can take a look and see what wires are hooked up. As he mentioned, the one wire (for the reverse lights) could be misplaced and this will be seen. > > > Peter > > > > From: Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> > Sent: November 17, 2016 12:30 PM > To: Paul > Cc: dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks > > This was the new 308 GT 41974 European model it was completely > disassembled and rebuilt from the ground up for me I thought I would > have a car that would be perfect but is turning into a nightmare > that's a standard fuse box and relay panel in the picture was taken > when or where were rewiring the car > > I will check with that release handle is for.., > > Thanks for all your help as you know the electronics is the weakest part of my limited knowledge of cars! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Paul <pbennett [at] macnet.com> wrote: > >> Nor am I able to make any sense. Stared at it for 1/2 hour and still cannot place it into much more than a test fixture or engine stand or ??? >> Thoughts -- >> Front Bonnet at top of photo >> Fiberglass cockpit - steering column stub at center left Gearshift >> tunnel but no gearshift Freshly black painted throttle pedal Pull >> cable on the right is for a bonnet latch release but on wrong side unless it's for rear bonnet. >> Relay panel legend doesn't match inserted relays I tried to match the >> fuse panel wire colors against various cars and it looks generic 308 >> even 512 Was this photo with another photo(s) which can provide additional clues? >> As Arte Johnson used to say ... "sehr interesting" >> paul >>> I have been so busy not had a chance to even look at the car but >>> just found this photo which I can make no sense of?. >>> >>> >>> Robert W. Garven Jr. >>> rgarven [at] gmail.com mailto:rgarven [at] gmail.com >>> >> <igcnifpgfkacjacb.jpg> >> _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/pbennett%40paul-bennett .com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ramosel%40pacbell.net Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.ferrarilist.com/pipermail/ferrari/attachments/20161119/23b415d 9/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:01:57 +1100 From: Grahame Reinthal <grahame [at] reinthal.com.au> To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks Message-ID: <a1afbe800e6861522580b771d226714d [at] mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Speaking of re-TIRE-ment, I just put on Pirelli Dragons onto my 308gt4 (245x40x18 all round). They are a great tyre (did a track day last week) and not too expensive so don?t dig into the retirement funds too much! J I have also just redone the shocks (up 20% on both impact and rebound) and the springs also up 20% in stiffness. The combo of the 18? rims, the tyres, the shocks and the springs has transformed the ride ? so much better even on the less than perfect road surfaces we have around here. Cheers, Grahame P.S. Don?t think of stopping working day to day as ?retirement? ? that can have rather sad connotations of finality ? think of it as just a new direction and never say never! P.P.S. I have struggled to maintain any enthusiasm to watch F1 this year ? very sad ? have not even bothered to watch many races. Maybe Ferrari will come out of the blocks next year running more competitively under the new rules next year. However, I guess I am still a tragic as I will be going to both the Melbourne and Shanghai rounds next year. *From:* Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+grahame= reinthal.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Moseley *Sent:* Sunday, 20 November 2016 4:45 AM *To:* Grahame <grahame [at] reinthal.com.au> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks Peter, I wholeheartedly recommend the early departure. I was forced to pull the plug early (50) but it has been a blessing in disguise! Too many projects on the mountain house... haven't touched the Ferrari in a long time but it's sitting there waiting for me. Just finished a $60k retaining wall but your post has got me thinking about the car again... Rick On Nov 19, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote: This is what I'm looking forward to. I turned 40 earlier this year. Realistically, I'm planning to retire @ 60, but I'll try to "pull the pin" sooner than that. As much as I enjoy what I do, as the years pass, I find it gets in the way in what I really want to do - and that is to play with the Ferrari! Although I realize this whole career thing is what pays to keep that hobby going (and it's been a good, lucrative one)! I consider myself fortunate though to have gotten into this at an early age (bought the 308 @ age 24 when they were "worthless") and appreciate all the years of joy and sometimes frustration that it provides (even to this day!). Could be worse... Okay, back to Rob's electrical gremlins. Peter ------------------------------ *From:* Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf of pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com <pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com> *Sent:* November 17, 2016 10:21 PM *To:* PeterGT4 *Cc:* The FerrariList *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks A Big thing in retirement is to take every silly little thing as a fun project. This is a fun part of life which requires using everything you have stuffed into your brain to date to resolve unimportant issues and to get satisfaction and enjoyment from the time spend doing so. Like your backup light, it?s really no big deal but it can be a fun exercise to make it work they way you want it to. AND that doesn?t have to be the way the factory or someone else wants it...you will make it work to satisfy your needs and desires. Carry that attitude throughout each day and ENJOY. *From:* Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:15 PM *To:* Paul Bennett <pbennett [at] paul-bennett.com> *Cc:* Paul <pbennett [at] macnet.com> ; The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks >From what I was told all the original parts were used in the car refurbished or replaced with new old stock parts. the wiring harness was removed taken apart all the wires checked for continuity and then it was reassembled and reinstalled. there was an awful lot of work done on this car, but just all sorts of little bugs and details that I need to either run down and fix! It took me 25 years to get a car built in Italy to start working perfectly, so it makes sense it would be even harder to get a car that was completely disassembled and put back together again dialed in! I'm also having problems with the tachometer and speedometer jerking wildly and then when the car is running well and warmed up they settle down to be normal? Several people have told me that in a complete restoration it is a last 5% of issues that are the hardest to settle and the most expensive I think that's where I am at. I am retiring in a month so hypothetically but I'm not playing in the band or traveling I can spend most my time trying to fix stuff!! Ha Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote: It's possible they could have used a 308 wiring harness for a U.S. car... My guess. I have severe doubts he would have had someone build each wire and loom it into a harness. Time is money. A LOT easier to buy an OEM NOS harness (I've seen 'em on ebay). If you get a chance Rob, open your glove box door and get a good close-up picture of the fuse boxes, especially the right-hand box and post it here. Paul and the rest of us can take a look and see what wires are hooked up. As he mentioned, the one wire (for the reverse lights) could be misplaced and this will be seen. Peter ------------------------------ *From:* Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> *Sent:* November 17, 2016 12:30 PM *To:* Paul *Cc:* dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks This was the new 308 GT 41974 European model it was completely disassembled and rebuilt from the ground up for me I thought I would have a car that would be perfect but is turning into a nightmare that's a standard fuse box and relay panel in the picture was taken when or where were rewiring the car I will check with that release handle is for.., Thanks for all your help as you know the electronics is the weakest part of my limited knowledge of cars! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Paul <pbennett [at] macnet.com> wrote: Nor am I able to make any sense. Stared at it for 1/2 hour and still cannot place it into much more than a test fixture or engine stand or ??? Thoughts -- Front Bonnet at top of photo Fiberglass cockpit - steering column stub at center left Gearshift tunnel but no gearshift Freshly black painted throttle pedal Pull cable on the right is for a bonnet latch release but on wrong side unless it's for rear bonnet. Relay panel legend doesn't match inserted relays I tried to match the fuse panel wire colors against various cars and it looks generic 308 even 512 Was this photo with another photo(s) which can provide additional clues? As Arte Johnson used to say ... "sehr interesting" paul I have been so busy not had a chance to even look at the car but just found this photo which I can make no sense of?. Robert W. Garven Jr. rgarven [at] gmail.com mailto:rgarven [at] gmail.com <rgarven [at] gmail.com> <igcnifpgfkacjacb.jpg> ------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/pbennett%40paul-bennett .com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ramosel%40pacbell.net Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.ferrarilist.com/pipermail/ferrari/attachments/20161120/363beaa f/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:27:32 -0800 From: "Robert W. Garven Jr." <rgarven [at] gmail.com> To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks Message-ID: <31808874-93AD-48D8-AD11-55BC17CAA0F8 [at] gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Friends, I will not be much of a retirement as we are booked all through 2017 at some pretty special events! Robert W. Garven Jr. rgarven [at] gmail.com "The Ferrari is a dream - people dream of owning this special vehicle and for most people it will remain a dream apart from for those lucky few." Enzo Ferrari On Nov 19, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Grahame Reinthal <grahame [at] reinthal.com.au> wrote: Speaking of re-TIRE-ment, I just put on Pirelli Dragons onto my 308gt4 (245x40x18 all round). They are a great tyre (did a track day last week) and not too expensive so don?t dig into the retirement funds too much! J I have also just redone the shocks (up 20% on both impact and rebound) and the springs also up 20% in stiffness. The combo of the 18? rims, the tyres, the shocks and the springs has transformed the ride ? so much better even on the less than perfect road surfaces we have around here. Cheers, Grahame P.S. Don?t think of stopping working day to day as ?retirement? ? that can have rather sad connotations of finality ? think of it as just a new direction and never say never! P.P.S. I have struggled to maintain any enthusiasm to watch F1 this year ? very sad ? have not even bothered to watch many races. Maybe Ferrari will come out of the blocks next year running more competitively under the new rules next year. However, I guess I am still a tragic as I will be going to both the Melbourne and Shanghai rounds next year. From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+grahame <mailto:ferrari-bounces%2Bgrahame>=reinthal.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com <mailto:reinthal.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com>] On Behalf Of Rick Moseley Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2016 4:45 AM To: Grahame <grahame [at] reinthal.com.au <mailto:grahame [at] reinthal.com.au>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com <mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] RETIREMENT - was GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks Peter, I wholeheartedly recommend the early departure. I was forced to pull the plug early (50) but it has been a blessing in disguise! Too many projects on the mountain house... haven't touched the Ferrari in a long time but it's sitting there waiting for me. Just finished a $60k retaining wall but your post has got me thinking about the car again... Rick On Nov 19, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com <mailto:dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>> wrote: This is what I'm looking forward to. I turned 40 earlier this year. Realistically, I'm planning to retire @ 60, but I'll try to "pull the pin" sooner than that. As much as I enjoy what I do, as the years pass, I find it gets in the way in what I really want to do - and that is to play with the Ferrari! Although I realize this whole career thing is what pays to keep that hobby going (and it's been a good, lucrative one)! I consider myself fortunate though to have gotten into this at an early age (bought the 308 @ age 24 when they were "worthless") and appreciate all the years of joy and sometimes frustration that it provides (even to this day!). Could be worse... Okay, back to Rob's electrical gremlins. Peter From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com <mailto:ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com>> on behalf of pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com <mailto:pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com> <pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com <mailto:pbennett [at] Paul-Bennett.com>> Sent: November 17, 2016 10:21 PM To: PeterGT4 Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks A Big thing in retirement is to take every silly little thing as a fun project. This is a fun part of life which requires using everything you have stuffed into your brain to date to resolve unimportant issues and to get satisfaction and enjoyment from the time spend doing so. Like your backup light, it?s really no big deal but it can be a fun exercise to make it work they way you want it to. AND that doesn?t have to be the way the factory or someone else wants it...you will make it work to satisfy your needs and desires. Carry that attitude throughout each day and ENJOY. From: Robert W. Garven Jr. <mailto:rgarven [at] gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 2:15 PM To: Paul Bennett <mailto:pbennett [at] paul-bennett.com> Cc: Paul <mailto:pbennett [at] macnet.com> ; The FerrariList <mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks >From what I was told all the original parts were used in the car refurbished or replaced with new old stock parts. the wiring harness was removed taken apart all the wires checked for continuity and then it was reassembled and reinstalled. there was an awful lot of work done on this car, but just all sorts of little bugs and details that I need to either run down and fix! It took me 25 years to get a car built in Italy to start working perfectly, so it makes sense it would be even harder to get a car that was completely disassembled and put back together again dialed in! I'm also having problems with the tachometer and speedometer jerking wildly and then when the car is running well and warmed up they settle down to be normal? Several people have told me that in a complete restoration it is a last 5% of issues that are the hardest to settle and the most expensive I think that's where I am at. I am retiring in a month so hypothetically but I'm not playing in the band or traveling I can spend most my time trying to fix stuff!! Ha Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com <mailto:dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>> wrote: > It's possible they could have used a 308 wiring harness for a U.S. car... My guess. I have severe doubts he would have had someone build each wire and loom it into a harness. Time is money. A LOT easier to buy an OEM NOS harness (I've seen 'em on ebay). > > If you get a chance Rob, open your glove box door and get a good close-up picture of the fuse boxes, especially the right-hand box and post it here. Paul and the rest of us can take a look and see what wires are hooked up. As he mentioned, the one wire (for the reverse lights) could be misplaced and this will be seen. > > Peter > > From: Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com > <mailto:rgarven [at] gmail.com>> > Sent: November 17, 2016 12:30 PM > To: Paul > Cc: dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com <mailto:dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GT4 Reverse lights was PCB Fuse Blocks > > This was the new 308 GT 41974 European model it was completely > disassembled and rebuilt from the ground up for me I thought I would > have a car that would be perfect but is turning into a nightmare > that's a standard fuse box and relay panel in the picture was taken > when or where were rewiring the car > > I will check with that release handle is for.., > > Thanks for all your help as you know the electronics is the weakest part of my limited knowledge of cars! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Paul <pbennett [at] macnet.com <mailto:pbennett [at] macnet.com>> wrote: > >> Nor am I able to make any sense. Stared at it for 1/2 hour and still cannot place it into much more than a test fixture or engine stand or ??? >> Thoughts -- >> Front Bonnet at top of photo >> Fiberglass cockpit - steering column stub at center left Gearshift >> tunnel but no gearshift Freshly black painted throttle pedal Pull >> cable on the right is for a bonnet latch release but on wrong side unless it's for rear bonnet. >> Relay panel legend doesn't match inserted relays I tried to match the >> fuse panel wire colors against various cars and it looks generic 308 >> even 512 Was this photo with another photo(s) which can provide additional clues? >> As Arte Johnson used to say ... "sehr interesting" >> paul >>> I have been so busy not had a chance to even look at the car but >>> just found this photo which I can make no sense of?. >>> >>> >>> Robert W. Garven Jr. >>> rgarven [at] gmail.com <mailto:rgarven [at] gmail.com> >>> mailto:rgarven [at] gmail.com <mailto:rgarven [at] gmail.com> >>> >> <igcnifpgfkacjacb.jpg> _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/pbennett%40paul-bennett .com <http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/pbennett%40paul-bennet t.com> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com <http://booyahmedia.com/> and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ <http://www.f1headlines.com/> _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ramosel%40pacbell.net <http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ramosel%40pacbell.net> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com <http://booyahmedia.com/> and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ <http://www.f1headlines.com/>_______________________________________________ __________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/rgarven%40gmail.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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