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Re: A real low level
From: Luke Graves (buyer1airmail.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
Six hundred knots on the deck is approaching the speed of sound; we called it the speed of heat.  The vortices, called wing vortices, ie, the white condensation coming off the wing tips, will start coming up the fuselage as one approaches the mach.  You may recall seeing pictures of Navy F-14s doing this while buzzing Carriers.
 
My Squadron, the 25th Tac Fighter Squadron at Ubon Thailand, had a special low level mission, putting in tactical ground sensors in the high threat areas.  So, we were "running in the weeds" most of the time.  We were fairly safe running in at 575-625 knots at 200 ft (from AAA). The problem there, is bird strikes or sneezing.  We had to slow down to 500 and pull up to 500 ft to drop the sensors!  It was really exciting to watch yourself or your wingman being engulfed by the vortices.  Remind me later to tell you guys about the time we were doing this and my wingman hit a tree!
 
Luke 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Clarence Romero Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:46 PM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

600 knots is 10 miles a minute 
In level terrain at 20 feet that would a daunting task for even the most skilled crew
The better part of my military flying has been below 500’ day/night in all kinds of weather 
Flying at 20’ takes and enormous amount of concentrated effort in peace time
During war you would most likely not survive the first SAM break or worse high tension line or any of the numerous things that stick up out of the ground
And thats if it’s level terrain 
If it’s rolling hills with foliage all I can say is that I could not do it 
At 100’ in a dynamic combat environment it would take all I had not to hit the ground
And that’s if the visibility was good
And like I said I have flown the better part of my military flying below 500





     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    


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On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

Even at 20 feet at 600 mph?

Just wondering

DOUG

From: Clarence Romero Jr. [mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:14 AM
To: Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

You would only overfly an active SAM site one time !

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=17&ved=0ahUKEwjJm8zFi7DaAhUxhOAKHRMACXMQwqsBCF0wEA&url="">


On Apr 10, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

SA-8?  Nope.  Wazzat?

But just thinking about it – would be cool break sound barrier as low as you could over known SAM sites.  Might even rattle Jane Fonda – if she was there.

DOUG

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Clarence Romero Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:41 AM
To: DOUG <dnt [at] dock.net>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

Did any of you notice the instrumentation on the ground in the picture?

We were doing test against the SA-8 

     RF4-4EVR




Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

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On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:45 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Ok what’s a Joshua tree?

     RF4-4EVR




Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:22 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

My college roommate's dad told stories of looking up at Joshua trees while stationed at Edwards...

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On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:06 PM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

International Harvester low level.

DOUG

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Rick Moseley
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 6:25 PM
To: DOUG <dnt [at] dock.net>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

weed wacking!

From: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

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     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On Apr 9, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

"I have looked up at Stuckey’s signs"  now there is a Clyde classic.  



(had to go to my ACM flash cards for the "shackle")







I used to love to "hold" a shockwave on the deck.  Just aft of the ailerons was controllable.



Saw the Navy F111B on the ground at NAS Oceana once.   Not impressed. 

Kind of the Bradley fighting vehicle of the sky.  Tried to do too much with one airframe.   Designed by committee and I'm not talking Fighter Mafia.

I saw cockpit footage of a "bleed-air blimp"  trap on a carrier.... now there was some flying!  Not sure it would have survived a Bolter and heard it was lucky he caught 2 wires!

Rick

From: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

I have looked up at Stuckey’s signs on low levels in Kansas and Nebraska 

A lot of those levels were right over interstates  going east/west out there between the medians 

I remember once when I was very aggressive 

And very young , I thought I could fly under an interstate over pass !

I was maybe 10’ off the deck doing 480 ground speed ( that’s a mile every 6 seconds for you civilians) with a great WSO and saw it on the horizon 

Decided better not and I am here because of it 

I could do a shackle at 100’ and not even think about it when I was in my prime!

Those were the days

Did you ever see the F-111B model that the navy tested on the boat?

There is a picture of it somewhere 

When Mac was trying to make the F-111 an

All service fighter

I would have loved to see that trap!

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!


On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

I have a great friend who lost her dad when they were testing TF on a B52 on the east coast...  Elephant Mountain.

From: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

Yes a TF failure could mean death at night 

You had to be watchful 

The 

Phantom was hand flown along with the A-6 

The F-111 was on autopilot and it was mandatory!

     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On Apr 9, 2018, at 1:06 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

Sounds crazy. There must have been close-calls, or worse?

Peter

From: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
Sent: April 8, 2018 3:22 AM
To: Peter Rychel
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A real low level

During training you flew 480 knots ground speed initially 

IP to target 540 ground speed

Egress depending on the threat 600 to supersonic 

I flew Reconnaissance Phantoms the only defense you had was speed and tactics 

Now if you can believe this we used to do that video at night in the mountains 

It’s called Terrain Following only us the the F-111 and the A-6 could do that at night in the rocks as we used to call it.

It was fun but dangerous a night TF ride in the Appalachian Mountains was not for the weak of heart !

     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On Apr 8, 2018, at 12:50 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

Awesome, thanks for sharing that! I couldn’t help but crank my head side-to-side as he was doing those banking turns.

What kind of speeds are we looking at in this segment? He was flying over populated areas, which I’m sure must have startled the people below.

I know the subject was brought up a week or so ago, but man, having your own fighter jet just to play around would be incredibly thrilling.

They mentioned the Italian’s training flights in Goose Bay, Canada. My uncle worked for nearly all of his life at Canadair and started his career working on the Sabre, finishing up with the Challenger business jet when he retired. Did many jobs, but for the most part was a foreman. He was sent up back in the ‘80s to Cold Lake, Alberta... He was never allowed to talk about it! Probably had something to do with the “Peanut” (CL-227 Sentinel). His only remarks was that it was too damn cold (I suppose he never clued into the name of the place).

Peter

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From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf of Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 5:48:22 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] A real low level

Ah yes 

Down there on a first name basis with the gophers at 600kts !

     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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