Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Holly cow

Re: Holly cow	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Rick Moseley (ramoselpacbell.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 12:15:27 -0800 (PST)

Huh. I'd never made THAT connection before...interesting stream of logic.

From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Holly cow

Dentists need to have fun, too.

Not saying correlation is causation, but that profession does have the highest suicide rates among professionals...

On Dec 8, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
I think you mean
Keep your pants clean from deification !

RF4-4EVR

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On Dec 8, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
Clyde notes “Guys paying top bucks for an air cooled POS that has a major handling problem called trailing throttle oversteer “

Tut tut Clyde – your statement just goes to show what little you know about the P car world. Quite simply, 1) don’t lift in a turn and 2) keep your rear view mirror clean.

So there.

Your Pal
DOUG

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Clarence Romero Jr.
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 5:39 AM
To: DOUG <dnt [at] dock.net>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Holly cow

You don’t know the Ferrari market Brian
And as I said earlier
One auction on a car doesn’t make the market
It might for you so you can hype it up to some poor uninformed buyer with deep pockets and shoe size IQ
But hey that’s what you live for
Just look at the P car market
Guys paying top bucks for an air cooled POS that has a major handling problem called trailing throttle oversteer
But you can’t fix stupid Brian
I remember the hype of the Guard Red Slope nose P car being all that
Guys modifying there cars
Please
The P car crowd is the worst only followed by the MCB crowd !
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On Dec 8, 2018, at 3:22 AM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:
So let me get thus straight ... you're telling me that FML is BS and totally out of touch with the market, but that I don't know the market because I don't read FML? It's seems that I'm better off not reading worthless info and paying attention to actual sales and transactions ...
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On 12/6/18 8:59 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
Sorry Brian
The limited auction market isn’t the market
Maybe for you
But not the average Joe
The Ferrari market has always been about hype
And the fact you never opened a FML tells me you know very little about the Ferrari market!
Because that’s where the hype is big time!
But that’s ok
Because you really are a P car guy
And everyone has there thing as they say
Too many guys think the FML is the gospel until they find out it’s just a
Seventh Day Adventist knocking at there door!
Gotta go
Take care and I have helped too many on this list both sell and by there dream car at realistic prices
Not the ones you see in the paper!
Leads tally one bandit right 2 o clock high, burners now !

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On Dec 6, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:
I've never opened a FML ... but you're talking two different markets - the wholesale market and the retail market. The auction prices do represent the retail market. The best of the best. The cars you or I may sell that were owned personally (private parry retail) will fall below that. The dealers offer wholesale, put in money for reconditioning and service, then sell somewhere between private party retail and auction retail. The auction prices may be idiots with money, but it's the market. Which is the trading of cars for money. Do you think a McLaren F1 will sell under $15M in any transaction (other than wholesale or a car with bad history) now that one hit that mark last summer? That set the market. What about the black Ferrari GTO that sold for $22M more in a private party transaction (to David MacNeil) than the most recent GTO at auction (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/27/most-expensive-car-ever-sold-at-auction-fetches-48-million.html)?
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On 12/6/18 6:14 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
Brian
Brian
Brian
Most recently and I know he monitors this list I helped a lister sell his beautiful 308 with Daytona seats and improved a/c system at a price no where near the asking prices in the FML
In fact it was at least 30k away from those dream boat prices you read in the yellow shit rag!
The market is dropping son
The 550 crowd is starting to feel the pain
Like I’ve always said if you want to know what your car is worth
Take it to a dealer
Because that’s the real price
The auction prices are idiots with money
They are suicide blondes, dyed by their own hand!
But that’s not the market
There is still some fools thinking he can get 280K for a 575 6spd
Along with the dolts thinking superamericas are all that!
Keep in mind the 355 spyder crowd thought the same thing
Remember that bubble?
Lest not forget the 360 spyder crowd as well
Idiots with money will never learn
But hey
It is what it is
Happy holidays

RF4-4EVR

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Clyde Romero

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On Dec 6, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:
308 / 328 market is higher than it was when they were new!
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On 12/6/18 4:47 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. wrote:
I hope you’re right
I just don’t see many people buying older Ferrari cars
In my opinion the 308/328/348 is dead
The 355 market is surely dead and the a/c works on those cars!

RF4-4EVR

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Clyde Romero

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On Dec 6, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
I'll agree with Peter here...
In 5 years the dealerships will be so busy doing warranty work they won't have time to fix the stuff already sold. The "good" independents will flourish.

From: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Holly cow

The independents will survive keeping the older models going.

Peter

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From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf of Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:59:09 PM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] Holly cow

15 years
This is going to kill the independent Ferrari shops
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RF4-4EVR

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