Ferrari Mailing List: Re: 550/560/612

[Lashdeep Singh (lashdeep]

The 328 is heavier which offsets the modest power increase.

Also, 328 exterior and interior styling is not as pretty as the 308.

They also sound terrible.

When is the last time you heard anyone say “328” with excitement?

Never...

On Feb 26, 2019, at 21:06, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:

Better brakes? Not in my experience. What’s better about them? Didn’t they actually go to single pot calipers with the 328? Same size disc I think.

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Matt Boyd
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2019 3:15 AM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 550/560/612

 

Clyde,

 

Just out of curiosity, what would you say are the things Ferrari changed with the 328 that were issues on the 308?

 

Here is my short list (some aren't really issues, but improvements with the 328):

 

328 has better....:

Low end torque

Brakes

Waterpump

window motors (not that it made much difference with the same regulator design, right?)

 

What else? Curious about your opinion (and anyone else's).

 

For me, the 308 has better exterior looks (less softened than the 328) and a more interesting, retro interior.

 

-matt

'85 euro 308

 

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:10 AM Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

The cars have been around long enough to work thru most of the issues 

The 550 had the most

As with anything Ferrari the next model they fixed it 

The 575 is almost perfect 

Just like they did with the 328 following the 308

The got it right

Parts are not an issue 

Major components don’t break unless your real stupid the car should last as long as my 512 TR with over 107k on it 

Me I am either going to get a 575 or a 612 

Big fast and realistic priced and everything works!

 

 

 

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On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Bart Denys <corazonfix [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Clyde,

Why are these cars at this price point? While you state “no major issues” are maintenance cost/spare parts much higher?

Bart D

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From: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>

To: "Clarence Romero Jr." <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F-1 transmission replacement

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Clyde, drive them all first.

 

550/575 are fast but really boring after about 20 minutes.

 

On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:55, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

The 550/575/612 is what I am looking at

They are reasonably priced and don?t have any crazy issues

 

 

 

 

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On Feb 26, 2019, at 1:45 AM, Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

I can?t believe I?m saying this but I?m having a hard time trying to find a new Ferrari that I think is good looking. Wasting a V12 in this is sacrilege. It?s sad that Lamborghini is designing really sexy cars is and Ferrari is trying to do something which I?m not sure what it is.....

 

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On Feb 25, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

https://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2019-ferrari-gtc4lusso-review-cold-weather-testing

 

 

 

 

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On Feb 25, 2019, at 1:57 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Yeah, I know the perspective and agree with you. 26K is A LOT of miles for a Ferrari, but really, let?s not kid ourselves here, it is a car like any other.

 

Despite the fact it uses a delicate and complex mechanism to change gears, at it?s heart, this generation of their F1 transmission is a glorified manual (still uses conventional gears, syncros, shifter forks, etc). There?s really no excuse for something so major to fail within such a short period of time.

 

I may have mentioned this story here before, but at one of the shows I attend, a 355 F1 drove up and I couldn?t believe how much I could smell the burning clutch when he drove past... Plus how the car bucked and jerked when trying to drive slowly. I caught up with the owner later and he said it was his first Ferrari. Oh boy...

 

Actually, tire rot is low on the priority list, cam belts being the topper! Remember, gotta do it every three years or else your engine will explode! Ha!

 

I really have no interest in owning a newer Ferrari. I would?ve considered nothing newer than the 456, but I?ve learned recently that they can suffer from major corrosion issues, even the pampered examples. It makes sense as I remember when they were introduced that they featured a new chassis construction technique that somehow they could weld the aluminum panels to the steel chassis (instead of just riveting/screwing or adhesive bonding together). I believe Pininfarina patented the technique(?). I?ve seen the effects of how aluminum reacts with steel. Yep, scratched that one off of my list.

 

Peter

 

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From: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:47:11 AM

To: Peter Rychel

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F-1 transmission replacement

 

Peter agreed

But you have to put it in perspective

The average Ferrari-Maserati driver does 3K miles per year !

So in retrospect this was a lifetime of miles!

One of the biggest expenses of a Ferrari owner is rotting tires and bad gas in the tank!

I kid you not

And the convertible crowd has to deal with hydraulic rams that lock up because they leave the top down rather than cycling it

There is a whole cottage industry now in Ferrari rams for the tops!

 

Ferrari has it made

They sell a product that everyone wants

They make just under the market so you always have to wait for one

There are only, what 25 Ferrari authorized dealers in the US

The car deprecates just like every other one ( no matter what the sh*t rag FML says)

Maintenace is no longer and issue because they come with a 7 year warranty

So the dealer can ask what ever he wants for a used one after he has raped the poor dolt for trading it in.

When something does break it?s $185+ for labor and parts quality control of a LEGO set!

I am just glad I can work on my car and have no desire to own any of the new cars.

Still looking to buy a 575, it will happen, they are going back to reality slowly.

There is a guy in NJ selling one at a clyde price, I will wait until it starts to snow and hit him for it.

There is also one in BNA but it?s on consignment and owner is on meth with his pricing.

It?s a 9 owner car, yes and the idiot is asking top dollar, somebody call him at let him know what color the sky is in the real world!

 

It?s insane  

 

Currently in St. Barths our of the cold wet weather

 

 

 

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On Feb 24, 2019, at 3:21 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 

26K mi and the entire transmission replaced... Jesus, even Dodge Caravans get double more mileage out of theirs!

 

Peter

 

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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 4:48:29 AM

To: PeterGT4

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: [Ferrari] F-1 transmission replacement

 

This is a common item for 430

A good friend of mine had one

Luckily he had it under 30 days and he had the dealer fix it !

The early cars were bombs!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-ferrari-f430-12/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification

 

 

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To: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>

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Lash

You think all Ferrari?s are boring

You like American muscle

You don?t get finesse!

 

 

 

 

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On Feb 26, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Clyde, drive them all first.

 

550/575 are fast but really boring after about 20 minutes.

 

On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:55, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

The 550/575/612 is what I am looking at

They are reasonably priced and don?t have any crazy issues

 

 

 

 

   RF4-4EVR

 

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero    

 

 

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On Feb 26, 2019, at 1:45 AM, Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

I can?t believe I?m saying this but I?m having a hard time trying to find a new Ferrari that I think is good looking. Wasting a V12 in this is sacrilege. It?s sad that Lamborghini is designing really sexy cars is and Ferrari is trying to do something which I?m not sure what it is.....

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 25, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 

https://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2019-ferrari-gtc4lusso-review-cold-weather-testing

 

 

 

 

   RF4-4EVR

 

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero    

 

 

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On Feb 25, 2019, at 1:57 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Yeah, I know the perspective and agree with you. 26K is A LOT of miles for a Ferrari, but really, let?s not kid ourselves here, it is a car like any other.

 

Despite the fact it uses a delicate and complex mechanism to change gears, at it?s heart, this generation of their F1 transmission is a glorified manual (still uses conventional gears, syncros, shifter forks, etc). There?s really no excuse for something so major to fail within such a short period of time.

 

I may have mentioned this story here before, but at one of the shows I attend, a 355 F1 drove up and I couldn?t believe how much I could smell the burning clutch when he drove past... Plus how the car bucked and jerked when trying to drive slowly. I caught up with the owner later and he said it was his first Ferrari. Oh boy...

 

Actually, tire rot is low on the priority list, cam belts being the topper! Remember, gotta do it every three years or else your engine will explode! Ha!

 

I really have no interest in owning a newer Ferrari. I would?ve considered nothing newer than the 456, but I?ve learned recently that they can suffer from major corrosion issues, even the pampered examples. It makes sense as I remember when they were introduced that they featured a new chassis construction technique that somehow they could weld the aluminum panels to the steel chassis (instead of just riveting/screwing or adhesive bonding together). I believe Pininfarina patented the technique(?). I?ve seen the effects of how aluminum reacts with steel. Yep, scratched that one off of my list.

 

Peter

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

From: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:47:11 AM

To: Peter Rychel

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F-1 transmission replacement

 

Peter agreed

But you have to put it in perspective

The average Ferrari-Maserati driver does 3K miles per year !

So in retrospect this was a lifetime of miles!

One of the biggest expenses of a Ferrari owner is rotting tires and bad gas in the tank!

I kid you not

And the convertible crowd has to deal with hydraulic rams that lock up because they leave the top down rather than cycling it

There is a whole cottage industry now in Ferrari rams for the tops!

 

Ferrari has it made

They sell a product that everyone wants

They make just under the market so you always have to wait for one

There are only, what 25 Ferrari authorized dealers in the US

The car deprecates just like every other one ( no matter what the sh*t rag FML says)

Maintenace is no longer and issue because they come with a 7 year warranty

So the dealer can ask what ever he wants for a used one after he has raped the poor dolt for trading it in.

When something does break it?s $185+ for labor and parts quality control of a LEGO set!

I am just glad I can work on my car and have no desire to own any of the new cars.

Still looking to buy a 575, it will happen, they are going back to reality slowly.

There is a guy in NJ selling one at a clyde price, I will wait until it starts to snow and hit him for it.

There is also one in BNA but it?s on consignment and owner is on meth with his pricing.

It?s a 9 owner car, yes and the idiot is asking top dollar, somebody call him at let him know what color the sky is in the real world!

 

It?s insane  

 

Currently in St. Barths our of the cold wet weather

 

 

 

   RF4-4EVR

 

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero    

 

 

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On Feb 24, 2019, at 3:21 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

 

26K mi and the entire transmission replaced... Jesus, even Dodge Caravans get double more mileage out of theirs!

 

Peter

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf of Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 4:48:29 AM

To: PeterGT4

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: [Ferrari] F-1 transmission replacement

 

This is a common item for 430

A good friend of mine had one

Luckily he had it under 30 days and he had the dealer fix it !

The early cars were bombs!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-ferrari-f430-12/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification

 

 

   RF4-4EVR

 

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

 

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

 

Clyde Romero    

 

 

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