Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Realistic prices are retuning

[Jashburne (jashburne]

We have had 6 new E, M and C class Mercedes over the years and most of them had significant repairs covered by the warranties. My wife’s 2011 C class had an ECU failure when it was two weeks old. It was out of action for a month waiting for a new one from Germany. We got a free loaner from the dealer but I would never own one of those cars out of warranty. 

John

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On Aug 7, 2019, at 9:50 PM, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

My friends tell me the horror stories. 

They drive them very hard though...probably too hard.

Melted turbos, ECUs, etc.

On Aug 7, 2019, at 21:16, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Lash

Actually I have

The reason that they go down in price so fast is because the new model year pushes the price down

I have plenty of friends who own Barbie Benz cars and they don’t report any Death Star issues 

I stand by what I said 

The mean time between failure of any late model car is incredible with regards to black box failures

There are always exceptions to the rule 

Ask the space shuttle challenger crew !

I will be the test dummy with the 575 since most of the cars I have seen have low miles on them

Hell I already have 29k on mine and I got it with 26k 

I am shooting for 35 k by Christmas 

So if anyone is going to see a failure it’s going to me moi ( that’s French for me)

Right now I am waiting on the power steering hoses to R&R

Who knows 

I might be driving a bomb or the step brother to my 512 TR with 108K on it

It just seems to me that Ferrari owners as a whole are pessimistic about the cars reliability 

When nothing could be further from the truth

But hey that’s just me 

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On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Clyde, you haven’t driven a four year Benz or BMW lately have you?

There is a reason they depreciate so quickly after warranty.

On Aug 7, 2019, at 16:08, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

The mean time between failure on most car electronics is unbelievable 

When’s the last time you had a abs sensor go bad? And they take a beating 

Modern car stuff even Italian stuff which is really Bosch works forever 

Clyde Romero

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On Aug 7, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

This is my biggest concern about my 308 and that really isn’t an “old”car.

 

Although, it’s just metal. Anything can be replicated (and made better)... At a cost.

 

I know you love your 575 and they are truly fantastic cars, but what worries me for long-term, future use and collectability of these modern classics are not the mechanical bits crapping out, but all of the electronics.

 

It’s one thing to adapt an older carbureted car to modern fuel injection and be done with it, but, with the modern car’s fully integrated OBD systems, if one of those ECUs crap out, you’re done. I think you mentioned that if you jump-start a 456/550, you stand a good chance of frying the air bag ECU and those are NLA.

 

Again, computers are computers and it could be made to work, but it would be a bigger challenge.

 

Peter

 

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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Realistic prices are retuning

 

The major issue with all the old stuff is keeping them running 

And if a gearbox goes south.....

Or a differential.....

 

Clyde Romero

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You have no character ! 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Brian Keegan <bks281 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

Have you ever driven a 330GTC? Or a 365GTC? Fabulous cars!

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On Aug 6, 2019, at 5:27 PM, Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> wrote:

I had a shot at a 330GTC for $60k back when I bought my 308GT4 in 2003ish.

Still kicking myself.

Hans.

On 8/6/19, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

I would like a restored 2+2 for 2007 money...

On Aug 6, 2019, at 16:28, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

The issue with the 60's 2+2s are the survival numbers are low.  Plenty

have been parted out or rebodied.  They are not as common as the numbers

lead you to believe.

Unlike a GTO where 68 of the original 36 survived...

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:13 PM <cmlf1 [at] optonline.net> wrote:

What I am surprised mostly is the lack of correction on 60’s 2+2 cars, as

they  haven't crashed back to reality yet. These were so undesirable for

so long then they multiplied and many got big dollar restorations.

when they come back to reality  there should be some great cars for

reasonable money.

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On Aug 6, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>

wrote:

Anyone who bought high is going to get burned. These “modern classics”

were run up too high to begin with. Granted, the manuals will command a

premium for a number of years to come, but $600K+ for a 6-spd 599?

$400K+ for a 575 Superamerica?

What I’d be curious to know, will this affect the prices of the older

classics? TRs have dropped significantly, but I haven’t seen big

movement in the 308/328 series... And Enzo-era cars?...

Peter

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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Realistic prices are retuning

The guys who are going to get burned are the 550 guys who bought high

   RF4-4EVR

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On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:37 PM, Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org>

wrote:

A guy I know on another forum just bought a NEW 2018 Maserati GT for

about $60k under MSRP. $150K car for $90k.

Hans.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 5:16 PM Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/05/car-dealers-struggle-to-sell-2018-new-car-inventory-to-make-room-for-2020-cars.html

Keep your powder dry...

On Aug 5, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Just wait until there is a stock market correction.  Then we will

have real price discovery.

On Aug 5, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Clarence Romero Jr.

<clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/731256583/overview/?aff=acqem100&emc=acqem100&smtrctid=c1367134f07c7aa61e1d2c28b18e9e2c1fa7996e

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