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Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 164, Issue 119
From: Rick Moseley (ramoselpacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
Route Pack 6??   was that the seaward approach to Hanoi?

I can only imagine.

On Monday, March 30, 2020, 10:58:42 AM PDT, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:


6 in one day
Wow 
That took balls to stay around that long and then land on the boat !

I talked to guys who said after flying route pack 6 the hardest thing was coming back to boat !



     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    


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On Mar 30, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:


Yeah the Crossfield death was a real head scratcher...

But, thankfully you and Mr. Romero are well on your way to proving that old saying wrong!!

Our son-in-law's Grandpa was Alex Vraciu.  He made it to 96.   19 kills, 6 in one day (Hellcat), Test Pilot after the war.

June 19, 1944
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On Monday, March 30, 2020, 10:07:10 AM PDT, Luke Graves <buyer1 [at] airmail.net> wrote:


Well, Doug, there is an old and now almost trite saying:  There are old
pilots and bold pilots, but, there are no old bold pilots.

Clyde and Rick: I was thinking of Bevo Howard or Scott Crossfield!

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:32 AM
To: 'Luke Graves'
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 164, Issue 119

Heh heh - as Sterling Moss once said - "I've never gone into a corner scared
but have come out of plenty of them scared."
The SR71 pilot and motivational speaker who wrote the book "Sled Driver"
tells the tale - he plead to go up with the Blue Angles and ride back seat
while they practiced.  He got to.  Afterward, he remarked to driver - boy
some of those move were really close calls - you scared me twice.  Pilot
replies - oh yeah?  I scared myself three times!
:  )
Cheers
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Graves <buyer1 [at] airmail.net>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:53 AM
To: 'Douglas Anderson' <dnt [at] dock.net>
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 164, Issue 119

I've been there!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On
Behalf Of Douglas Anderson
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:33 PM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 164, Issue 119

Three most dangerous situations . . to pilots

1) out of energy
2) out of altitude
3) out of ideas

Cheers
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com> On Behalf Of
George's Mail
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:29 PM
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 164, Issue 119

Re:The 3 most dangerous things known to man !

Doctors, sure, but lawyers are not far behind. When I was flying, lawyers
were always always arguing with the tower. One in particular, on approach in
the dark, argued about his altitude all the way into ground, killing his
whole family.

George


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:16 AM
To: George Dodson
Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 164, Issue 119

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  1. Re: The 3 most dangerous things known to man !
      (Robert W. Garven Jr.)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 21:28:30 -0700
From: "Robert W. Garven Jr." <rgarven [at] gmail.com>
To: "Clarence Romero Jr." <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The 3 most dangerous things known to man !
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I respect all of you pilots I have a Ferrari buddy who is a flight
instructor and we flew in a small single engine airplane with another flight
instructor they let me fly the plane for like five minutes or so, even
though I?ve never had any formal instruction.

I?ve always wanted to fly and I felt pretty comfortable and I told the guy
sitting to my right hey I think I could land this, and he said I know you
could but probably not in one piece!

Rob

That said I landed the space shuttle at night on my phone....

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Clarence Romero Jr.
> wrote:
>
> ?I had the best of both worlds
> I flew fighters until I was 42 !
> Most guys couldn?t say that
> I enjoyed my airline career
> I still get messages from crews I worked with
>
> Clyde Romero
>
> If you have no enemies
> You have no character !
>
> Scars are tattoos with better stories!
> When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>> ?
>> Amen, Brother. Me too.  No offense to cLyDe, but I had no desire to
>> be a flying bus driver or a flying truck driver.
>> Nostalgia works.  I didn't get my full measure, but I got enough.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 28, 2020, 4:32:38 PM PDT, Luke Graves
>>
>>
>> Didn't realize that Crossfield was dead!  When I quit flying
>> Fighters, I quit flying.  People have always asked me if I missed
>> flying.  My reply is that no, I am just nostalgic about it!  I had my
full measure.
>> Besides, I have much more fun sticking my 360 than farting around in
>> some Cessna!
>>
>> From: Ferrari
>> [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com]
>> On Behalf Of dan carroll
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 6:17 PM
>> To: Col Luke Graves
>> Cc: The FerrariList
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The 3 most dangerous things known to man !
>>
>> General aviation can be dangerous. Scott Crossfield crash is a good
>> example.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 17:16, Allan Chong <allanychong [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> From: "Clarence Romero Jr." <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> What are the 3
>>> most dangerous things known to man A doctor in a bonanza An Arab in
>>> an F-15 A flight attendant with a chipped tooth!
>>>
>>> My friend (who has 2 dr. parents) calls all light twins Dr Killers. 
>>> it's the combination of only flying once a month (because of
>>> workload) in a plane that requires immediate corrective action on
>>> engine failure.
>>> toss in something like IFR or high density altitude mtn airstrips or
>>> loading to gross and you've got a recipe for disaster.
>>>
>>> In the airlines, you're sitting in a sim every few weeks training
>>> for that blue line engine failure your entire life.  Probably
>>> 1 in 100 doctors is doing that.  They'd be better finding flight
>>> instructors trying to build twin time to fly for them (another
>>> friend owned a twin and did just that--he had pretty much a free
>>> personal pilot and free gas every time he went up)
>>>
>>>
>>> allan
>>>
>>>
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