Ferrari Mailing List: Re: New Type of Fire Extinguisher

Re: New Type of Fire Extinguisher	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Les Thompson (les21ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:16:26 -0700 (PDT)

Halon demonstration.

Years ago, at Hughes, we had California Fire Suppression come out to provide training and demonstrate some of their products. They said the Halon worked by breaking the fire triangle, but didn't explain how. Said it did not displace the air in the room.

They set up a phone booth sized enclosure with a small window with exterior shelf and a door for entry. One of their people got into the booth, another lit a large candle and placed it on the shelf. The guy in the booth pulled it through the window into the booth. Stayed lit, then they released the Halon into the booth, candle goes out. He then proceeded to pass the candle back out the window, where it was re-lit. He pulled it back inside with him, where it immediately went out. They repeated this for about 5 minutes. Demonstration impressed me, as I remember it vividly.

There was obviously enough oxygen in the booth for the guy to breathe. I've experienced an oxygen deficient enclosure and you go out immediately like a light switch. Fortunately my experience was with dry ice, 40 gallon trash can, leaning in to get a soda and not an confined space. As I started down, my head came into fresh air and the lights came back on.

Later read that Halon exposure had been linked to possible mental issues and always wondered if the guy in the booth later became an axe murderer.

Les T.

-----Original Message-----

From: scott saidel

Sent: Jun 4, 2020 5:05 AM

To: Les Thompson

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Type of Fire Extinguisher

cLyDe:

FWIW, I volunteered fire rescue for years.

Helped train a couple hundred people how to use canister fire extinguishers. I’d venture that, going in, maybe a dozen knew to aim at the base of the fire and sweep back and forth - the basics of the basics. Most thought they were watering their garden, may as well throw the can AT the fire.

Completely agree with cLyDe - for most people fire = panic. FWIW, I’m in that group. LOVE rescue - scared s***less of fire.

Type ABC powder extinguishers are good (and common) because they are somewhat idiot proof. Spread enough of the agent and you’ll slow or stop the fire. But the powder gets EVERYWHERE and is kinda nasty - it will dissolve paint, rubber, and plastic.

The Halotron extinguishers leave no mess, but are difficult to use and potentially dangerous. They work best when you have a sealed environment like a computer room or engine room - just get everyone out first and vent thoroughly before going back in. Those extinguishers displace oxygen - so in an outside environment you need to get right up to the base of the fire and “chase" it out - without breathing the agent, or it will displace the oxygen in your lungs.

If you’ve never used a can, contact your local fire department. They are generally more than happy to show you the right / safe way.

scottie

On Jun 4, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Well here is my take on this having been around a couple of fires

Fires cause panic

The fact that you have to remove a cap an use the cap to strike the thing to get it started will be a chore for the majority of people

And I am willing to guess most would drop the striker cap and it will roll some where

Then what?

Emergency equip should be single action, period like a normal fire extinguisher

In other words you can’t F@ck it up even if you tried

You pull a pin and press the trigger

No cap to remove and strike and hope it goes off !

Back to the news !

RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero

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On Jun 3, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Charles Perry <charles [at] carolinasound.com> wrote:

Any of you seen this? Maybe even used it?

The Halon units I have in my cars are pretty old now. Their pressure meters still read good, but this seems like a pretty cool backup.

https://elementfire.com/

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