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Re: *****SPAM***** Re: Most civilians who fly don?t do it at night and very few fly in bad weather
From: Luke Graves (buyer1airmail.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 06:33:03 -0800 (PST)

If you have a good approach, all you have to do is grease it on.  Best approach I ever had was at KEF in '61, because I had to!  WOXOF 00 and Fog at night.  Did an ILS with assisted GCA.  At about 100 ft.I brought the vertical speed up to about 100FPM decent  The old F-89D was a very stable instrument platform and came in at about 140 KIAS.  When I touched down, I was looking at the ILS with no other visual clues !!!!  The braking action was NIL by the way.  Slowly got her stopped and creeped along at about 5 knots until I could barely see a taxiway and got off the active.  I then shut her down and called for a Tug.  It took them quite a while to find us in the fog!
 
Thanks for keying off that memory Clyde and you are exactly right about the approach .
 
Luke
 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Clarence Romero Jr.
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 6:13 AM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Ferrari] Most civilians who fly don?t do it at night and very few fly in bad weather

It’s like I have always said
The approach is just as important or more so than the landing
A stable approach leads to a safe landing or trap
The earlier you go around 
The better
Am I wrong Rick? Luke?



     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    


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On Nov 5, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

The important section of the mishap report. 

12. Conclusions
A. Mishap narrative: MC flew as wingman during case II recovery for CQ
refresher.  After normal break and landing  pattern entry, MP commenced
approach turn.  Computed wings level on speed was 139 KIAS.  MR noticed
aircraft decelerating during approach turn from approx ten kts fast abeam to
eight kts fast at the ninety to ten kts slow during final approach.  MP flew
WUOSX, 42 to 45 deg AOB.  CLSO and BLSO observed MA exhibit noticeable left
YAW, which was perceived as MP applying left rudder to arrest overshoot.  MP
reduced power to maintain on speed while rolling wings level.  Additionally,
MCB system on left engine was stuck in bleeds closed position due to wear
debris.  These factors combined to cause a left eng comp stall.  During
postmishap recollection, MR remembered hearing an almost imperceptible
``pop,'' similar to a ``popcorn stall,'' prior to ma crossing ship's wake.
 During final approach MR transmitted on ICS, ``we're ten knots slow, let's
get some power on the jet.'' MP did not respond verbally, but did add power.
 There was no further ICS comm by MC during remainder of MF.  As MA rolled
wings level at start, black smoke trail appeared from right eng only,
indicating left eng malfunction.  MP did not inform MR of eng malfunction.
 BLSO initiated waveoff verbally and visually for WUOSX.  Black smoke trail
>from right eng ceased, indicating   right eng staging to a/b.  CLSO echoed
``waveoff'' twice, cutting out BLSO ``level your wings and climb.'' BLSO made
one ``power'' call, two ``raise your gear'' calls and a second ``power''
call.  Throughout waveoff, left YAW and rod persisted.  MP had applied right
stick and rudder to counter asymmetric thrust.  MR did not observe any eng
stall warning lights.  MP lost situational awareness, failed to scan AOA,
allowed pitch attitude to slowly increase and exceeded maximum controllable
AOA of 20 units.  At approximately flight deck level, MA stalled, departed
controlled flight, and rolled rapidly left.  CLSO called ``eject, eject'' as
MR initiated command ejection.  MR and MP ejection seats both departed MA.
 MR achieved seat-man separation and main parachute deployment.  MP seat
fired outside safe ejection envelope, impacted water prior to seat-man
separation, damaging seat and interrupting seat sequence.  The causal factors
of this mishap and injury are a result of overcontrol, external distraction,
cognitive saturation, channelized attention, wear debris, complacency and
problem not forseeable.
B. Causal factors of the mishap:
(1) The narrative cause factors of this mishap are Determined to be:
(A) Aircrew factor - MP attempt to salvage overshooting approach led to
reduced eng stall margin, contributing to left eng comp stall.  RAC II.
(B) Aircrew factor - MP failed to execute proper single eng waveoff
procedures.  RAC II.
(C) Aircrew factor - MP failed to inform MR of single eng emergency.  RAC II.
(D) material factor - Left engine directional control valve stuck in bleeds
closed position.
RAC V.
(E) Supervisory factor - MS failed to provide single eng waveoff training.
 RAC V.
(C) Causal factors causing other damage or injury:
(1) The narrative cause factors of other damage or injury are determined to
be:
(A) Aircrew factor - MP failed to make timely decision to eject.  RAC I.


On Nov 5, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

"known deficiency"
Yeah, the A models we had the P&W TF-30.   It needed some throttle management to prevent compressor stalls.  The B model (and the later D) had the GE-F110 engines.  That was the engine that airframe was waiting for!!  You could ram the throttles full forward and yank them back like a butter churn, no problems.   With the P&W though...  you did launch in Zone 5 reheat.  That was a hoot.  With the GE you only went full power without reheat...   not so much fun and no fire show, no shock diamonds...

But that story is weird, supposedly the command eject initiated by her RIO got him out before her... and she was sent straight into the water.  But the aircraft was recovered 19 days later as was she.   Some reports say she was still in the aircraft, meaning the "Eject CMD" switch was set to "Pilot".  How that was "set" varied among the Squadrons.

While that 1200+hrs looks like a big number, it's not.   By the time you finish your year of training and do your first training at sea FCLPs, that's the hours you are going to have...  still a nugget in the seat.   I had 1268... with only 10 day traps and 3 night traps.

Revlon...  or Hulk... (yeah, that was her first call sign.  no, she wasn't a beast, it was a play on her last name)  was pushed through the system because she was a woman.  The system killed her, not the plane.  IMHO, she should have never been there.   She had failed her first FCLP (unsat) and was run through again... unheard of.  The Navy was racing to qualify a woman in a fighter before the Air Force.   Stupid

oh, and Muammar al-Gaddafi

On Thursday, November 5, 2020, 4:16:51 PM PST, Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:


Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum has three aircraft – well, four if you count the Cruise Missle in the basement.  It shows Reagan’s AF One, a Boeing 707; a Stelth fighter/bomber; and; this plane.  An F-14 Tomcat replica of the plane that Ohmar Kadafi sent his MiGs to shoot down.  Instead, they got shot down.


 

Why not the real plane?  Sad tale.   

“Oct. 25, 1994, she was attempting to land her F-14 aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. She overshot the landing area’s centerline and attempted to correct the mistake. Her correction disrupted the airflow into her Tomcat’s left engine, which caused it to fail. This was a known deficiency in that particular engine. What she did next caused the plane to tilt over to the left. When her Radar Intercept Officer realized the plane was not recoverable, he initiated the plane’s ejection sequences. He was fired out, and .4 seconds later, Hultgren was fired out of the plane.”  . . . . and into the ocean – killing her instantly.


 

Karen, even with 1200 plus hours in the F14 – didn’t heed that flying is terribly unforgiving of any mistakes.


 
        

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From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com> On Behalf Of Rick Moseley
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:10 PM
To: DOUG <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Most civilians who fly don?t do it at night and very few fly in bad weather


 

ehhh....  55-60 in the era of Erik's boss and my time.

Probably 30ft seas and a pitching deck...

It's still ugly seeing green water over the bow.

Never launched in it, but certainly came back to it a few times.


 

Not a game, serious business.  The plane, the boat and the sea are all trying to kill you.  Throw some of mother nature's weather in there....  

That's why Navy guys always stuck around in the fight... better to stay and fight an opponent with a conscience than go back to ugly trap conditions and mindless physics wanting to kill you.


 

As you said cLyDe...   Power, Power...


 

 

On Thursday, November 5, 2020, 12:48:45 PM PST, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:


 

 

70'


 

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From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+clyderomerof4=gmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> On Behalf Of Erik Nielsen

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:11 PM

Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Most civilians who fly don?t do it at night and very few fly in bad weather


 

My boss was an LSO in addition to being an E-2 pilot.  He will tell the story of landing planes off of Australia with green water coming over the bow in a storm. The deck is what, 80’ above the water? 


 

Young man’s game.


 

> On Nov 5, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

>

> Imagine doing night landings on aircraft carrier in a typhoon . . . .

> Just thinking of the worst - unless snow storms Wadda you think Clyde

> - Tell us your worst weather experience As a passenger - I didn't like

> going sideways on an Icey Denver runway in a

> 707

> DOUG

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com> On Behalf

> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 8:14 AM

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> Subject: [Ferrari] Most civilians who fly don?t do it at night and

> very few fly in bad weather

>

> "Most civilians who fly don?t  do it at night and very few fly in bad

> weather"

>

> Well, not for very long, it's called Natural Selection. NEVER EVER

> flew in the rain. Sunny Saturday pilot only.........

>

> Regards,

> George

>

>

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>  2. Re: See the KleinVision Flying Car Takes Flight

>      (Clarence Romero Jr.)

>  3. Re: See the KleinVision Flying Car Takes Flight (scott saidel)

>  4. Re: See the KleinVision Flying Car Takes Flight (Rick Moseley)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 07:39:28 -0600

> From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>

> To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>

> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] See the KleinVision Flying Car Takes Flight

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> Gee, maybe they didn?t think through all of the consequences of

> annexing the Sudetenland?

>

>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 7:30 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>>

>> There was that pesky little problem of their supply chain and

>> national

> reserves being bombed on a daily basis...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 05:10, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> ?Again, you?re describing the classic systems engineering problem,

> technology was ahead of the supply chain.

>>

>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:44 AM, Clarence Romero Jr.

> <mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> They had very reliable engines in the war They ran out of fuel and

>>> resources They pioneered synthetic fuels and lubricants The  single

>>> engine FW-109 was the fighter until the P-38 showed up with 2 engines!

>>> Their 2 engine JU-88 bomber was as fast as our P-47 and it was a bomber!

>>> And there tanks were diesel run not gas like our were which would

>>> catch fire and incinerate the crew when hit Get your facts straight!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>    RF4-4EVR

>>>

>>> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

>>>

>>> If you have no enemies, you have no character !

>>>

>>> Clyde Romero   

>>>

>>>

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>>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:54 AM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com

> <mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> ?Technology that cost them the war. 

>>>>

>>>> Twice.

>>>>

>>>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net

> <mailto:dnt [at] dock.net>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Doubtful BMW reliability?  And to think they got their start with

> aviation engines!

>>>>> Doug

>>>>>

>>>>> From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com

>>>>> <mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com>> On Behalf

>>>>> Of Erik Nielsen

>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 5:30 PM

>>>>> To: DOUG <dnt [at] dock.net <mailto:dnt [at] dock.net>>

>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com

>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] See the KleinVision Flying Car Takes Flight

>>>>>

>>>>> I gave up on BMW reliability or lack there of with my E36 M3, no

>>>>> way

> I?m getting anywhere near that thing...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Luke Graves <buyer1 [at] airmail.net

> <mailto:buyer1 [at] airmail.net>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> f

>>>>>> lying-car-takes-flight/

>>>>>> - flying-car-takes-flight/> Clyde's maximum about aviation being

>>>>>> self cleansing comes to mind!!!

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> Your also forget

> Mid air collisions with idiots trying to get to parking spots !

> Also weather related incidents like fog rain and the ever present

> NIGHT FLYING ah yes Ask me or anyone of us who did that on a regular

> basis NIGHT FLYING a much diff that NIGHT DRIVING It?s a recipe for

> disaster for those who think this is just like driving !

> Most civilians who fly don?t do it at night and very few fly in bad

> weather And they are smart And alive I might add Listen I flew steady

> from April

> 1969 up until my last flight on 23 august 2015 no interruptions other

> than vacation being sick and training What?s that 45 plus years in

> fighters and helicopters and airliners And still to this day I know

> that I will never fly again as a pilot and trust me I still know how

> to fly And I you think the average JOE BAG A DOUGHNUTS is going to buy

> a flying car and make it out of the lot alive, well Your doing mind altering drugs!

> Forget about the insurance premiums and liability claims There isn?t

> enough room to talk about that!

> Those things will be crashing out like roaches in Puerto Rican

> kitchen, everywhere !

>

>

>

>

>    RF4-4EVR

>

> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

>

> If you have no enemies, you have no character !

>

> Clyde Romero   

>

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>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 8:32 AM, scott saidel <scott_saidel [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> ? All I can think about is what shitty boats the Amphicars were.

>>

>> One thing to slowly sink in a lake.

>>

>> Personal observation and experience leads to the conclusion that

>> things

> that try to be too many things - end up being shitty at all of them.

>>

>> Is there really room for shitty airplanes?  Like cLyDe said, self

> cleaning. 

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone

>>

>>>>> On Nov 4, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>>>>>

>>> ?

>>> Oh, 4 wheels, no ground clearance and a low wing...  gonna be fun in

>>> a

> crosswind, down wing landing.  More so if the BMW engine lets go.

>>>

>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 5:30:18 PM PST, Erik Nielsen

>>>

>>>

>>> I gave up on BMW reliability or lack there of with my E36 M3, no way

>>> I?m

> getting anywhere near that thing...

>>>

>>>> On Nov 4, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Luke Graves <buyer1 [at] airmail.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>

>>> i ng-car-takes-flight/ Clyde's maximum about aviation being self

>>> cleansing comes to mind!!!

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> To: Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

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> Coffee just came out my nose.

>

> Thanks and good morning, cLyDe

>

> Scottie

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> On Nov 5, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Clarence Romero Jr.

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> To: "Clarence Romero Jr." <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>

> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

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> It probably doesn't have a tailhook either.

>

>    On Thursday, November 5, 2020, 5:46:16 AM PST, Clarence Romero Jr.

>

> Your also forgetMid air collisions with idiots trying to get to

> parking spots !Also weather related incidents like fog rain and the

> ever present NIGHT FLYING ah yes?Ask me or anyone of us who did that

> on a regular basis NIGHT FLYING a much diff that NIGHT DRIVING?It?s a

> recipe for disaster for those who think this is just like driving

> !Most civilians who fly don?t do it at night and very few fly in bad

> weather?And they are smart?And alive I might addListen?I flew steady

> from April 1969 up until my last flight on 23 august 2015 no

> interruptions other than vacation being sick and training?What?s that

> 45 plus years in fighters and helicopters and airliners?And still to

> this day I know that I will never fly again as a pilot and trust me I

> still know how to flyAnd I you think the average JOE BAG A DOUGHNUTS

> is going to buy a flying car and make it out of the lot alive,

> wellYour doing mind altering drugs!Forget about the insurance premiums

> and liability claims?There isn?t enough room to t  alk about

> that!Those things will be crashing out like roaches in Puerto Rican kitchen, everywhere !

>

>

>

> ? ? ?RF4-4EVR

> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

> If you have no enemies, you have no character !

> Clyde Romero? ??

>

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> On Nov 5, 2020, at 8:32 AM, scott saidel <scott_saidel [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> ?

> All I can think about is what shitty boats the Amphicars were.?

> One thing to slowly sink in a lake.?

> Personal observation and experience leads to the conclusion that

> things that try to be too many things - end up being shitty at all of them.?

> Is there really room for shitty airplanes? ?Like cLyDe said, self cleaning.

> ?

>

> Sent from my iPhone

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> On Nov 4, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

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>

>

> ?Oh, 4 wheels, no ground clearance and a low wing...? gonna be fun in

> a crosswind, down wing landing.? More so if the BMW engine lets go.

>

> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 5:30:18 PM PST, Erik Nielsen

>

> I gave up on BMW reliability or lack there of with my E36 M3, no way

> I?m getting anywhere near that thing...

>

>

> On Nov 4, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Luke Graves <buyer1 [at] airmail.net> wrote:

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> g-car- takes-flight/Clyde's maximum about aviation being self

> cleansing comes to

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