Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Hmm

Re: Hmm	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Rick Moseley (ramoselpacbell.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 12:30:09 -0800 (PST)

Erik is going through a mid-life Calm

On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 12:27:37 PM PST, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I have one, and it’s the one I wanted. I don’t need another.

On Mar 4, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Erik

You’d buy a Rolls and you know it!

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character !

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Mar 4, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

If someone gave me a free $150k, I’m buying a Boston Whaler. Just saying.

I have all of the cars I want. Ready to pass some along to the next enthusiast.

On Mar 4, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

You’re on another planet Lash

You don’t under estimate the Ferrari Brand

Ask anyone if I gave your $150k to buy a car

Which one would it be?

The answer: Ferrari

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character !

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Mar 4, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Clyde, many of the new car buyers use social media to make their choices.

Youtube is filled with new car tests and reviews.

The “valet parking” or “getting laid“ decision criteria have been replaced by recommendations from British guys named Harry and Schmee.

The cars and coffee and other social media gatherings are also exposing everyone to all of the different marques.

Not to mention the manufacturer displays at Monterey, Amelia, Goodwood, etc.

There are a lot of amazing supercars out there now.

Aston Martin

Jaguar

Nissan GTR

Bugatti

Audi R8

AMG GTR

Mclaren

Viper

Corvette

These new influences and choices are all taking new sales away from Ferrari.

On Mar 4, 2021, at 13:39, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Lash

You’ve lost sight of the big picture

It’s like women buy expensive hand bags

They don’t care

And the individuals buying these type of cars don’t care either

Have you ever asked someone why they bought a Ferrari Lambo etc?

The pat answer is, because they can

If you have to worry about maintenance, fuel mileage, insurance you’ve bought the wrong car!

Clyde Romero

If you have no enemies

You have no character !

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

On Mar 4, 2021, at 1:30 PM, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

Brian, your last paragraph is right on the money.

Performance doesn’t matter as much now because everything is so fast today.

Styling does matter and a lot of exotics are really ugly.

What doesn’t help is that quality on the exotics has fallen while on the regular cars it has improved.

Sticky interior on a $300k car?

And big maintenance bills?

Where’s the Lexus dealer again?

On Mar 4, 2021, at 12:42, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] buxtonmotorsports.com> wrote:

I think it comes down to more than what else performs as well on a track though. If we are talking about new cars only (not the vast used market) then you are in a rarefied group of people who can spend $245,000 base MSRP for an "entry level" model - currently the Ferrari Portofino. Yes a C8 Corvette will outperform it in every category for $80,000 new, doesn't' have insurance maintenance costs, cheap to insure, easy to drive to dinner or to run errands and not worry about parking it etc., BUT it's got the Corvette "stigma," the build quality and material quality is not on the same level, etc. Ford Mustang GT500's have killer performance for $85,000, but they are Fords and they have cheap plastic-ky interiors still in 2021. There are quite a few trucks out there for $90-100,000 (Ford F250/350/450 Platinum and the GM counterparts, Ford Raptors, RAM TRX etc). But your truck, GT500, Corvette buyer isn't going to be looking at one of those or a new (or even used) Ferrari. Same with SUV's, is a Lamborghini Urus at $218,000 base MSRP a better off road, more comfortable, better performing SUV than a $150,000 Mercedes G550 or a $100,000 full sized Range Rover? No. BUT it's a Lamborghini. And you'll see a whole lot less Urus on the road and in valet than any of the others. And to some in that price range that's what matters. For the same amount of money ($15,000 - $30,000) you can buy a W221 Mercedes S550 or a Maserati ... the S550 is a far superior car in pretty much every way, BUT you see a lot of them on the road and they don't have that "Maserati" name / brand recognition and look. The Ferrari V8 does sound pretty good in the Maserati though and they do have pretty interiors. People do tend to be afraid of the maintenance costs though. But there isn't a much better deal on the market, as far as depreciation and what you get for your money, as a lightly used Maserati or Aston Martin.

But I don't think performance is as much of a motivating factor in high end cars as it used to be. Used you get into a different conversation, as there are a LOT of choices out there for $50-60K.

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On 3/4/21 6:18 AM, Jashburne via Ferrari wrote:

I think Deep is on to something. There are a lot of high performance cars available and not all of them are exotics like Ferrari.

While Ferrari’s road cars performance is higher than most others, many other brands offer performance that far exceeds what can be used in public roads. Do many enthusiasts really appreciate and value the performance difference of Ferrari when others may be relatively lower but are still a multiple of what can be used safely on the road?

So far the stock price hasn’t suffered at all but for how long?

John

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On Mar 4, 2021, at 1:24 AM, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

Not to mention the myriad of high performance cars available in the market...

On Mar 3, 2021, at 23:17, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

That and their lacklustre performance in F1.

Peter

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From: Erik Nielsen
Sent: March 3, 2021 7:36 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Hmm

Could their arrogance finally have caught up with them?

On Mar 3, 2021, at 8:35 AM, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.motor1.com/news/491772/ferrari-fallen-popularity-within-decade/

RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero

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