Obsolete…. 222 Raise you one Falcon-3000
On Oct 7, 2021, at 10:50, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Falcon two zero two...
OK, Mr. CGA... why didn't you do that with flags??
Bravo Zulu guys. Falcon-118
That sounds like real fun!!!
I am still amazed at all the s*** that went on up in
the sky all around the world that mere mortals knew nothing about! Often,
people (ordinary mortals) would ask me: what is it with you Fighter
Pilots? This would usually be at the Bar while we were knocking down
drinks and hand flying. I would just say: well, you weren't up in the sky
with us today and you could have no conception or ever will of the excitement,
drama etc. that we experience all the time! It's a whole different world
that we live in! Be happy in the modest life that you live. You
might not like or be happy with night combat in bad weather behind enemy lines
and other things that we experience from time to time like funeral
fly-bys. So, just have a cool one and leave the crazy s*** to us!
Like Rick here, catching a SR-71 at Full Tilt Boogie in the dawn sky!!!!!
Sierra Hotel!
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Rick Moseley
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Col Luke Graves
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Re: [Ferrari] *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon
ride to space...
A lot of what the SRs (out of Lakenheath) were
tasked to do was at the behest of Navy Brass needing to know what was going on
at the Kola Peninsula. You guys would send out a section of KCs that
ran a refueling track somewhere over the Barents Sea. Too far out for the
F-15s to cover. We were deck launched and dirty to go do what the
Air Force couldn't do, only our missions were called HAVCAP... High Asset
Value. Soviets would launch out of Olenya and come screaming out
over Sweden to catch an SR slowing down to get a drink. We were nose hot
and AWACs would vector us onto the MiGs. As soon as they picked up the
AWG9, they'd slow down and go home. They wanted no part of an Aim54...
death from above. This was all done without radios, just mic
clicks.
After the SRs came off the tanker they did what
they called a "dipsy-doodle". They'd move off/up 10,000ft, nose over and
push the throttles forward. That way they were going downhill and
accelerating quickly through trans-sonic, then pull the nose up and wait for the
base turbojet engine to push them up onto spike/bypass speeds and into cold,
cold air. One of us, "Lone Ranger", would do the same from behind and
higher. If timed right, you could come up abeam to them at about
Angels 35-40 until the Spike hit (think coming up on the expansion chamber on a
2 stoke motor cycle). It was like they had another afterburner and
bye-bye... we'd fall off them and they headed upstairs at a phenomenal
rate.
I was always an early bird, so I took early
(mid rats) morning missions all the time. To catch an SR at Full
Tilt Boogie in the dawn sky was a sight to behold... 150ft of exhaust
plume filled with shock diamonds visible to the naked eye! Every time I'd
marvel at what God had given man's mind with a slide rule the ability to create.
I'm sure Rooter can find us a picture...
Spot on Rick
I was with an F-15 that were on CAP to protect AWACS during an operation
where the
SR were acting like Foxbats to shoot down the AWACS.
You could lock up the SR but by the time you got in position to fire the VC
was negative big time !
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If you have no enemies, you have no character !
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The F-22's real claim is stealth and maneuverability.
The F-22 can also cruise supersonic without
after-burner... no easy task.
Mach 2+ is fast. I've been there.
Above that there are huge stresses and heat issues.
Exponential.
Kelly Johnson was a genius above geniuses...
geniuii?
When you learn what they had to do to get (what became) the SR-71
in the air it is mind-blowing. Acid for break fluid, tires that could
take temperature swings at pressures that would kill your road car
tires. The movement of the inlet spike (Ben Rich) where 80% of the power
came from, the J-58 motor... we could spend a week discussing how they
moved 3 Olympic swimming pools worth of air through 6 tubes the size of your
toilet drain every second. The cockpit glass came from your neck
of the woods... and was it special. The Russians never did get on
top of that issue. I saw Mig-25s and 31s flying half blind because most
of their windscreen was burned from trying to catch SRs. Yeah, the
Russians could get to Mach 3, but they couldn't stay there... and they paid
dearly in damage every time they did.
Mach 2.25 is probably like everything else... advertised.
Safe to assume reality is a bit higher.
Still, the difference between Mach 2 and Mach 3 is HUGE.
Not a trifling step up the ladder.
On the topic of airplanes, since we never discuss that here, what do you
guys think about Bernie saying a 6T budget is not enough? We refused to
restart F22 production, which would have doubled the fleet for 50B, because
that was inconceivably high. Now they toss around trillions like it is
chump change. And what to invest in given the almost certain
hyperinflation that is coming? Commodities and TIPs don't seem to be
moving. Perhaps inflation is already baked in?
Also, is the F22s top speed really only Mach 2.25? That seems
low.
Out of Hamilton, inverted at Angels 61, between Shasta and
LA...
You could have fallen out and landed in my pool!
Hamilton!
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ride to space...
Shasta and LA....
Were you coming out of Hamilton? or Beale?
Had no
compressor stalls or anything. I was at VMAX at 35k, think that I was
doing about 1.4 indicated and snapped up on the U-2 with about a 40-45
degree pitch angle. Coming over the top inverted, I had to hold 1/2 G
to keep from Pitching Up (or down). I could see Mt Shasta and parts of
LA. It was quite dark above me. I let the nose slowly down to a
45 degree dive angle and accelerated to 450kias before I rolled out and came
out of A/B. I was so in the moment during the whole intercept that I
never thought about going above 50k without a Pressure Suit til I was back
on the ground.
Yes we
had the long A/B on the J-57 and the B model was the fastest 101 at 1.8
Mach. It was a Pig to fly though.
Never
heard about putting the J-79 into the Voodoo
Luke, was the B model the one that used the J-57 with the long
AB?
Still, 61k in a Voodoo…. with a J-57… That thing must have been
gasping for air.
I know with the F-4 on the horizon, the guys at Wheelus talked
about a Voodoo with J-79s… did that ever happen?
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