Ferrari Mailing List: Re: *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon ride to space...

[Rick Moseley (ramosel]

Falcon-118

On Oct 7, 2021, at 08:46, Luke Graves <buyer1austin [at] gmail.com> wrote:



That sounds like real fun!!!

 

I am still amazed at all the s*** that went on up in the sky all around the world that mere mortals knew nothing about!  Often, people (ordinary mortals) would ask me: what is it with you Fighter Pilots?  This would usually be at the Bar while we were knocking down drinks and hand flying.  I would just say: well, you weren't up in the sky with us today and you could have no conception or ever will of the excitement, drama etc. that we experience all the time!  It's a whole different world that we live in!  Be happy in the modest life that you live.  You might not like or be happy with night combat in bad weather behind enemy lines and other things that we experience from time to time like funeral fly-bys.  So, just have a cool one and leave the crazy s*** to us!  Like Rick here, catching a SR-71 at Full Tilt Boogie in the dawn sky!!!!!  Sierra Hotel!

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From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Rick Moseley
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 8:59 AM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Ferrari] *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon ride to space...

A lot of what the SRs (out of Lakenheath) were tasked to do was at the behest of Navy Brass needing to know what was going on at the Kola Peninsula.   You guys would send out a section of KCs that ran a refueling track somewhere over the Barents Sea.  Too far out for the F-15s to cover.   We were deck launched and dirty to go do what the Air Force couldn't do, only our missions were called HAVCAP...  High Asset Value.   Soviets would launch out of Olenya and come screaming out over Sweden to catch an SR slowing down to get a drink.  We were nose hot and AWACs would vector us onto the MiGs.  As soon as they picked up the AWG9, they'd slow down and go home.   They wanted no part of an Aim54... death from above.  This was all done without radios, just mic clicks.

After the SRs came off the tanker they did what they called a "dipsy-doodle".  They'd move off/up 10,000ft, nose over and push the throttles forward.  That way they were going downhill and accelerating quickly through trans-sonic, then pull the nose up and wait for the base turbojet engine to push them up onto spike/bypass speeds and into cold, cold air.  One of us, "Lone Ranger", would do the same from behind and higher.   If timed right, you could come up abeam to them at about Angels 35-40 until the Spike hit (think coming up on the expansion chamber on a 2 stoke motor cycle).  It was like they had another afterburner and bye-bye...  we'd fall off them and they headed upstairs at a phenomenal rate.

I was always an early bird, so I took early (mid rats) morning missions all the time.   To catch an SR at Full Tilt Boogie in the dawn sky was a sight to behold...   150ft of exhaust plume filled with shock diamonds visible to the naked eye!  Every time I'd marvel at what God had given man's mind with a slide rule the ability to create.

I'm sure Rooter can find us a picture...

On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 05:32:36 AM PDT, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Spot on Rick

I was with an F-15 that were on CAP to protect AWACS during an operation where the 

SR were acting like Foxbats to shoot down the AWACS.

You could lock up the SR but by the time you got in position to fire the VC was negative big time !

     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On Oct 7, 2021, at 12:51 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:



The F-22's real claim is stealth and maneuverability. 

The F-22 can also cruise supersonic without after-burner...  no easy task.

Mach 2+ is fast. I've been there.

Above that there are huge stresses and heat issues.  Exponential.

Kelly Johnson  was a genius above geniuses...  geniuii?

When you learn what they had to do to get (what became) the SR-71 in the air it is mind-blowing.  Acid for break fluid, tires that could take temperature swings at pressures that would kill your road car tires.  The movement of the inlet spike (Ben Rich) where 80% of the power came from, the J-58 motor...  we could spend a week discussing how they moved 3 Olympic swimming pools worth of air through 6 tubes the size of your toilet drain every second.   The cockpit glass came from your neck of the woods...  and was it special.  The Russians never did get on top of that issue.  I saw Mig-25s and 31s flying half blind because most of their windscreen was burned from trying to catch SRs.  Yeah, the Russians could get to Mach 3, but they couldn't stay there... and they paid dearly in damage every time they did.

Mach 2.25 is probably like everything else... advertised.  Safe to assume reality is a bit higher.

Still, the difference between Mach 2 and Mach 3 is HUGE.  Not a trifling step up the ladder.

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 04:15:52 PM PDT, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:

On the topic of airplanes, since we never discuss that here, what do you guys think about Bernie saying a 6T budget is not enough?  We refused to restart F22 production, which would have doubled the fleet for 50B, because that was inconceivably high.  Now they toss around trillions like it is chump change.  And what to invest in given the almost certain hyperinflation that is coming?  Commodities and TIPs don't seem to be moving.  Perhaps inflation is already baked in?

Also, is the F22s top speed really only Mach 2.25?  That seems low.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 5:17 PM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Out of Hamilton, inverted at Angels 61, between Shasta and LA...

You could have fallen out and landed in my pool!

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 02:10:00 PM PDT, Luke Graves <buyer1austin [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Hamilton!

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From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Rick Moseley
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 10:49 AM
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Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Ferrari] *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon ride to space...

Shasta and LA....

Were you coming out of Hamilton?  or Beale?

On Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 08:32:28 AM PDT, Luke Graves <buyer1austin [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Had no compressor stalls or anything.  I was at VMAX at 35k, think that I was doing about 1.4 indicated and snapped up on the U-2 with about a 40-45 degree pitch angle.  Coming over the top inverted, I had to hold 1/2 G to keep from Pitching Up (or down).  I could see Mt Shasta and parts of LA.  It was quite dark above me.  I let the nose slowly down to a 45 degree dive angle and accelerated to 450kias before I rolled out and came out of A/B.  I was so in the moment during the whole intercept that I never thought about going above 50k without a Pressure Suit til I was back on the ground.

 

Yes we had the long A/B on the J-57 and the B model was the fastest 101 at 1.8 Mach.  It was a Pig to fly though.

 

Never heard about putting the J-79 into the Voodoo

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From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Rick Moseley
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 12:36 AM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Ferrari] *****SPAM***** [NFC] Balloon ride to space...

Luke, was the B model the one that used the J-57 with the long AB?

Still, 61k in a Voodoo…. with a J-57… That thing must have been gasping for air.  

I know with the F-4 on the horizon, the guys at Wheelus talked about a Voodoo with J-79s… did that ever happen?

From: Luke Graves
Sent: October 5, 2021 6:16 AM
To: 'Peter Rychel'
Cc: 'The FerrariList'; Luke Graves
Subject: RE: *****SPAM***** [Ferrari] [NFC] Balloon ride to space...

I got an F-101B up to 60k ft; that was enough for me!!!

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From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Peter Rychel
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 11:21 PM
To: Col Luke Graves
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: *****SPAM***** [Ferrari] [NFC] Balloon ride to space...

So, as much as there was some hesitation from ‘List members to take a roller-coaster-rocket-ride to space, how about a graceful float to space?:

www.space.com - world view space tourism stratosphere balloon

For concours-winning Ferrari Mondial money, one can take a peaceful, hours-long ride to the edge of space.

Thing with this is, if things do go awry, you could just pull a Joe Kittinger/Felix Baumgartner and parachute safely back to earth. Win-win...

www.youtube.com - Felix Jumps From The Stratosphere | Earth Lab

Peter

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