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Re: Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS
From: Rick Moseley (ramoselpacbell.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:41:38 -0800 (PST)
Neither is my 80 GTSi console bowed.
I converted my interior (thanks to Mr. Keegan) to an 82 style center console with the gauges lateral rather than longitudinal. 

The shifter box is hard mounted to the floor. The console sits down over the shifter box, then the gate for the shifter captures the console.  For that bowing to occur, the sides of the center console must be lifted up some way so the gate pulls down on the console.  I can only suspect the owners put the console down wrong, added/replaced with extra thick carpeting or maybe added a lot of jute for sound deadening.   I tossed all my jute, used DEI boom mat and got new carpet from the guy in Germany who bought the small castle for a workshop... can't remember his name.  It all fits as it should.

So I think the answer for Anthony is it shouldn't be that way but... some of these cars haven't had the best of care.

Rick

On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 11:08:34 AM PST, Michael Maulucci <michaelmaulucci [at] comcast.net> wrote:


Center console bowed
I have a 308 and my center console is not bowed
77 308 GTB
Michael

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>  1. Re: Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for
>      sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring
>      a Trailer (Erik Nielsen)
>  2. Re: Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for
>      sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring
>      a Trailer (LSJ)
>  3. Re: Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for
>      sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring
>      a Trailer (LSJ)
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> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 07:26:59 -0600
> From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
> To: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS
>    Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62,
>    108) | Bring a Trailer
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> Yep.
>
> We?re playing around with my 931 right now, the build specifies oil squirters.  But then again, I?m using some of the tricks that were already developed at Alpina and another company that shall go nameless for now; not taking it to full Carerra GTR spec, but it?s not going to be slow.  And should piss off the Porsche purists. Win win in my book.
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>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> ?
>> True, but both it and the 288 GTO that came before had detail differences that made them more reliable. One key modification were oil sprayers to cool the undersides of the pistons (there were two rails that ran down both sides of the block edge and had little nozzles pointing up. They?d spray a fine mist of engine oil to cool the pistons. I don?t see or know of any tuner shop that adds this to turbo builds). Mind you, in some high boost mods, tuners will coat piston tops with some sort of ceramic coating for heat shielding.
>>
>> Not my cup of tea. I?d rather have the GTO or the F40. Or this:
>>
>>
>> Peter
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>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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>> From: scott saidel
>> Sent: December 22, 2021 11:31 AM
>> To: PeterGT4
>> Cc: The FerrariList
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring a Trailer
>>
>> It has been done - the F40 engine is based on the 308 block.  Not the least expensive path for sure.
>>
>> Scottie
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>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:30 PM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'm guessing he means, for example, the bow on the left in this image:
>>
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>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 1:28 PM Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
>> Anthony ponders . . . ?Why is the center console on every 308 and 328 bowed in like that? ?
>>
>> Bowed in?  Where?  What picture?  I?d like to learn something. I don?t recall our ?78 has any bowing.  Maybe so.
>>
>> Thanks Anthony
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> To: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS
>    Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62,
>    108) | Bring a Trailer
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> Hammered at $67.5k. Not bad for what looks like a good car.
> Turbo-ed 308s are really fun. A former Lister M.Scallion has/had a great twin turbo QV that was done 30 years ago. It was an awesome machine!
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> LSJ
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>    On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 08:27:07 AM EST, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote: 
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> Yep.?
> We?re playing around with my 931 right now, the build specifies oil squirters. ?But then again, I?m using some of the tricks that were already developed at Alpina and another company that shall go nameless for now; not taking it to full Carerra GTR spec, but it?s not going to be slow. ?And should piss off the Porsche purists. Win win in my book.?
>
> On Dec 22, 2021, at 10:24 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
> ?
>
> True, but both it and the 288 GTO that came before had detail differences that made them more reliable. One key modification were oil sprayers to cool the undersides of the pistons (there were two rails that ran down both sides of the block edge and had little nozzles pointing up. They?d spray a fine mist of engine oil to cool the pistons. I don?t see or know of any tuner shop that adds this to turbo builds). Mind you, in some high boost mods, tuners will coat piston tops with some sort of ceramic coating for heat shielding.
>
> ?
>
> Not my cup of tea. I?d rather have the GTO or the F40. Or this:
>
> ?
>
>
> ?
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> Peter
>
> ?
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> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> ?
>
> ?
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> From: scott saidel
> Sent: December 22, 2021 11:31 AM
> To: PeterGT4
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62, 108) | Bring a Trailer
>
> ?
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> It has been done - the F40 engine is based on the 308 block. ?Not the least expensive path for sure.
>
> ?
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> Scottie
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>
> On Dec 22, 2021, at 1:30 PM, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> ?
>
> I'm guessing he means, for example, the bow on the left in this image:
>
> ?
>
>
> ?
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 1:28 PM Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
>
>
> Anthony ponders . . . ?Why is the center console on every 308 and 328 bowed in like that???
>
> ?
>
> Bowed in?? Where?? What picture?? I?d like to learn something. I don?t recall our ?78 has any bowing.? Maybe so.
>
> ?
>
> Thanks Anthony
>
> ?
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> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Twin-Turbocharged 1983 Ferrari 308 GTS
>    Quattrovalvole for sale on BaT Auctions - ending December 22 (Lot #62,
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> Matt, then you just DO IT!
> When do we convert yours?
> I have a single turbo for mine but am thinking about upgrading to a more modern design.
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> LSJ
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>    On Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 01:42:14 PM EST, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote: 
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> What if you vastly prefer the styling of the 308 and have the money and willingness to modify it?
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> If you want to go fast, get a 360.?
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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:34 PM, A.J. <newgent2tx [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> ?I?m assuming he means here. I?ve noticed it before on quite a few 308/328.
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 12:28 PM Douglas Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
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>
> Anthony ponders . . . ?Why is the center console on every 308 and 328 bowed in like that???
>
> ?
>
> Bowed in?? Where?? What picture?? I?d like to learn something. I don?t recall our ?78 has any bowing.? Maybe so.
>
> ?
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> Thanks Anthony
>
> ?
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