| I have a question. The F16 has been around a very long time, correct? I read in the paper that Turkey wants to buy more F16 but were being blocked.
The F15/F14 are not as advanced as the F16 in terms of what Clyde writes below? The F16 cannot be taken beyond controlled flight? Have they massively updated it or do I have the chronology wrong on when they entered service….? ( I was certain the F16 dated back to the 1970s, the “ Fighting Falcon” but now please tell me I’m wrong).. Regards BR in Stockholm Sent from my iPad On 20 May 2022, at 17:14, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Here is my take on it The modern fighters F-16/F-18 you are fighting the machine not the man This aircraft have limiters which will prevent you from departing controlled flight In other words going out of control You could not fly outside the flight control envelope Much like a modern cars with ABS traction control and all the other magic they have on the new sports cars My generation of fighters F-4/F-15/14 didn’t have the magic You could fly the plane outside the envelope if you knew what you were doing and not get killed but many did die trying I might add, those platforms were very unforgiving in that arena If you were below 10,000 above ground level and loss control and did not eject immediately you most likely would die! Remember that’s a little under 2 miles up, that’s how fast you fall out of the sky in uncontrollable flight! So if you were going against a F-16/18 you had to fly your plane to the other planes weakness Granted that wasn’t easy but it could be done and has been done I might add When you’re dog fighting it’s all about nose position and energy management Correct me if I am wrong Rick
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Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
If you have no enemies, you have no character !
Clyde Romero
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Clyde nails it again. In my time, there was no better than Snort, Dale Snodgrass. He helped me learn, train, hone that better than any other IP. He was born to the Tomcat. He knew it, he flew it like no other. He was THE MAN in this machine.
(sadly, we lost him in a stupid little bush plane after he retired)
Listen for a few minutes to these two clips. He absolutely owned a recent Marine pilot who had just won Top Gun.
You don't have to listen to the presenter... he's just backseater I went to school with. ;-)
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On Friday, May 20, 2022, 04:48:13 AM PDT, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
This all one persons perspective In a dog fight it always comes down to the man in the machine Listen to the podcast F-14 It’s very accurate on this subject
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Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
If you have no enemies, you have no character !
Clyde Romero
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Hey cLyDe,
Can you elaborate more on this?:
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/what-it-was-like-flying-and-fighting-the-f-16n-viper-topgun-s-legendary-hotrod?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Peter
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And don’t forget the scene where he goes zone 5
To flush out the mig behind him
To cause the over shoot!
Scars are tattoos with better stories!
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On May 13, 2022, at 10:55 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
Didn’t last 30 mins in the first one. Have no intentions of seeing this one. Sorry, there just aren’t any 36 year career fighter jocks. Hell, most of my contemporaries that went commercial are timing out now.
On May 13, 2022, at 6:24 PM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Supposedly Viper makes a surprise appearance and complains about people over-paying for their sports cars...and food in Britain.
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