Ferrari Mailing List: Re: [NFC] New Top Gun movie is almost here

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

I can do slightly better: stop trying to fight the last fight.  

Other than that, I'll just refer to Lung's testimony at SASC back in March.

Thank you, Chairman Reed, distinguished members of the committee, I want to thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss the Indo Pacific region. I sincerely appreciate your dedicated support to IndoPacom our service members and their families and we wish Senator Inhofe Well, the People's Republic of China is the most consequential strategic competitor to the United States. The PRC is executing a dedicated campaign that utilizes all forms of national power in an attempt to uproot the rules based international order to the benefit of themselves and at the expense of all others. In the region Russia also presents serious risks as evident from their unprovoked and unjustified attack on the Ukraine. Russia has no regard for international law. Its own commitments or any principles that uphold global peace. Similarly, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and violent extremist organizations also pose acute threats to peace and stability in the Indo Pacific. To address these threats, Secretary Austin has articulated clear priorities, defend the homeland, deter our adversaries, and strengthen our allies and partners. These priorities are advanced through integrated deterrence, which is the department's approach to preventing conflict through the synchronization of all elements of national power, coordinated with the joint force across all domains, together with our allies and partners. IndoPacom's mission is to prevent conflict through the execution of integrated deterrence. And if necessary, be prepared to fight and win. Seize the initiative describes IndoPacom's approach to accomplish these missions. This approach requires the joint force to think, act and operate differently. We do that by realigning our posture, advancing our warfighting capabilities, providing both the Secretary and the President with options across the spectrum of competition, crisis and conflict. Effective deterrence requires significant investment to defend the homeland, protect the joint force, operate in contested space, provide all domain battlespace awareness with an integrated fires network to deliver those effects. These initiatives are incorporated into a theater campaign plan facilitated by agile logistics, a robust exercise and experimentation program and regular and consistent collaboration with our allies and partners to promote peace in the region. We must make concerted efforts to increase our resilience and strengthen our capabilities through sustained investments generated by predictable budgets, a strong industrial base and reliable supply chains. I am optimistic we will see a strategy based FY 23 budget that takes the appropriate initial steps to address key  adversarial challenges and increase our warfighting advantages. The resources we commit now and in the future will help preserve a free and open Indo Pacific. It will strengthen our deterrence posture and provide us the ability to fight and win should deterrence fail. Thank you, Chairman. I look forward to the questions.

Beyond that, as usual, no comment.

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 10:23 AM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

To add to Clyde's info...

Britt, to say the F-14/15 are not as advanced as the F-16 was really only true of its avionics package.

All three were intended for different uses.

Yes, the F-16 had fly-by-were and lots of Clyde's "magic", but it could not step into the shoes of the 14/15.

The F-16 is a nimble Swiss Army knife.  It is highly maneuverable, does lots of things well, none of them as well.

It has no legs, it is not as fast, doesn't have the redundant systems (namely power plant) of a 14/15

It is a great "also have" for the US and has served very well (literally and financially) for emerging countries.

It has also been a very useful "aggresor" aircraft for training our pilots against.

"Dirty" (loaded with ordnance) it falls farther from grace in both range and speed.

The F-15 is just as technologically advanced (if not moreso, now) but was intended as a strike fighter.  It was built to fight it's way in, deliver a variety of ordnance and fight its way out.  It also serves Air Defense very well.  IMHO, for an airframe designed in the late 60s, it is still the best at that job today.  It defines air superiority.  It is supremely fast.

The F-14 was designed as Fleet Defense Fighter, which really means protect the aircraft carriers.  Its job was to launch dirty, move extremely fast to the threat area (Mach 2+), deliver the biggest/baddest/longest range radar system and launch up to 6 Phoenix missiles.  It has a really large combat range.

The new F-35 is intended to do all of these things to some extent, it does none of them as well.  It was overdue, over budget, has no legs, it's slow and has a glass jaw.   But it presents all this mediocrity with some level of stealth and lots of "magic"...  24 million lines of code.

Erik could probably elaborate on the 24 million lines of code, but I'm rather certain this falls in the realm of "no comment".

On Saturday, May 21, 2022, 03:47:12 AM PDT, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Brit your absolutely correct the F-16 was a late 70’s fighter.

It was the original Electric Jet as we called it 

It was fly by wire and therefore upgradable it the flight regime 

Engines got better as well 

The newer variant is nothing like the F-16 A 

The same goes for the F-14D and F-15C    https://www.militaryaerospace.com/sensors/article/14204976/radar-upgrades-f15

The F-16 block 50  The first Block 50 F-16 was delivered in late 1991; the aircraft is equipped with improved GPS/INS, and can carry an additional selection of advanced missiles: the AGM-88 HARM missile, JDAM, JSOW and WCMD. Block 50 aircraft are powered by the F110-GE-129 while the Block 52 jets use the F100-PW-229.

Countries want capabilities at a lower cost the F-16 brings that to the table so to speak, it’s single engine therefore lower operating cost with enhanced capabilities 

The radars and engines and self protection software are huge upgrades to the basic airframe platform 

Same goes for the F-18 Hornet it’s upgrade is the Super Hornet 

These are what call Cat 4 fighter platforms 

Cat 5 are the platforms that incorporate Stealth technology like the F-22 and F-35 

Hope this clears it up for you .

     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On May 21, 2022, at 2:17 AM, BRITT ROTHMAN <Britt2Asa [at] aol.com> wrote:



I have a question. The F16 has been around a very long time, correct? I read in the paper that Turkey wants to buy more F16 but were being blocked.

The F15/F14 are not as advanced as the F16 in terms of what Clyde writes below? The F16 cannot be taken beyond controlled flight? Have they massively updated it or do I have the chronology wrong on when they entered service….? ( I was certain the F16 dated back to the 1970s, the “ Fighting Falcon” but now please tell me I’m wrong)..

Regards

BR in Stockholm

Sent from my iPad

On 20 May 2022, at 17:14, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:



Here is my take on it

The modern fighters F-16/F-18 you are fighting the machine not the man

This aircraft have limiters which will prevent you from departing controlled flight 

In other words going out of control 

You could not fly outside the flight control envelope 

Much like a modern cars with ABS traction control and all the other magic they have on the new sports cars 

My generation of fighters F-4/F-15/14 didn’t have the magic 

You could fly the plane outside the envelope if you knew what you were doing and not get killed but many did die trying I might add, those platforms were very unforgiving in that arena 

If you were below 10,000 above ground level and loss control and did not eject immediately you most likely would die! 

Remember that’s a little under 2 miles up, that’s how fast you fall out of the sky in uncontrollable flight! 

So if you were going against a F-16/18 you had to fly your plane to the other planes weakness

Granted that wasn’t easy but it could be done and has been done I might add

When you’re dog fighting it’s all about nose position and energy management 

Correct me if I am wrong Rick

  

     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On May 20, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:



Clyde nails it again.

In my time, there was no better than Snort, Dale Snodgrass.

He helped me learn, train, hone that better than any other IP.

He was born to the Tomcat.  He knew it, he flew it like no other.

He was THE MAN in this machine.

(sadly, we lost him in a stupid little bush plane after he retired)

 

Listen for a few minutes to these two clips.

He absolutely owned a recent Marine pilot who had just won Top Gun.

You don't have to listen to the presenter...  he's just backseater I went to school with.  ;-)

Tomcat Tales Tribute: Snort in His Own Words

Tomcat Tales Tribute: Snort in His Own Words

On Friday, May 20, 2022, 04:48:13 AM PDT, Clarence Romero Jr. <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

This all one persons perspective 

In a dog fight it always comes down to the man in the machine 

Listen to the podcast F-14 

It’s very accurate on this subject 

     RF4-4EVR

Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you have no enemies, you have no character !

Clyde Romero    

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On May 20, 2022, at 12:52 AM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:



Hey cLyDe,

 

Can you elaborate more on this?:

 

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/what-it-was-like-flying-and-fighting-the-f-16n-viper-topgun-s-legendary-hotrod?utm_source=pocket-newtab

 

Peter

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

From: Clarence Romero Jr.
Sent: May 14, 2022 3:19 AM
To: PeterGT4
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Top Gun movie is almost here

 

And don’t forget the scene where he goes zone 5 

To flush out the mig behind him 

It would have been 

Idle and boards 

To cause the over shoot! 

Clyde Romero

 

If you have no enemies

You have no character ! 

 

Scars are tattoos with better stories!

When you're out of F-4's you're out of fighters!

 

 

 

On May 13, 2022, at 10:55 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Didn’t last 30 mins in the first one.  Have no intentions of seeing this one.   Sorry, there just aren’t any 36 year career fighter jocks.   Hell, most of my contemporaries that went commercial are timing out now.  

On May 13, 2022, at 6:24 PM, Anthony Bauco <tbauco [at] gmail.com> wrote:

 



Supposedly Viper makes a surprise appearance and complains about people over-paying for their sports cars...and food in Britain.

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