Ferrari Mailing List: Re: F1 SPOILER

[LS (lashdeep]

Clyde, read the last 4 posts and get back to us when you're caught up!

LS

--- clyde <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net> wrote:

> Yea the engine blew up
> But it wasn't alonzos fault
> 
> Clyde
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:02:11 
> To:clyde <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net>,       Home
> <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 SPOILER
> 
> I watched the race and saw Renault's engine blow up.
> 
> What race did you watch?
> 
> LS
> 
> --- clyde <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net> wrote:
> 
> > Where did you get that BS from LS?
> > 
> > Clyde
> > Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:54:09 
> > To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> > Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 SPOILER
> > 
> > Renault's job as a competitor is to build a tool that can withstand
> any
> > and every challenge that Alonso is presented with during a particular
> > race. 
> > 
> > Not taking into account all possibilites (starting 10th instead of
> 5th)
> > is
> > not understanding your requirements.
> > 
> > "their
> > > best guess and compromise"
> > 
> > Their best didn't cut it. Good luck to them next time...hopefully they
> > will have it figured out.
> > 
> > LS
> > 
> > 
> > --- Dennis Liu <BigHeadDennis [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Lashdeep wrote:
> > > 
> > > >The Renault engine should be able to endure any level of effort and
> > > abuse,
> > > despite any setback or penalty. It wasn't.
> > > 
> > > -------------
> > > 
> > > Now that's just plain silly.  :-)  
> > > 
> > > Racing equipment has a finite life, especially in F1.  Teams build
> > > everything to extremely close tolerances, essentially following
> Colin
> > > Chapman's dictum that the perfect racing car is the one that falls
> > apart
> > > after it crosses the finish line - if it lasts any longer, then it
> was
> > > built
> > > too well/strong/heavy.  Weight is the enemy, so engineers build
> things
> > > to
> > > last just long enough (and be safe enough too, of course).  
> > > 
> > > Want more power but displacement is limited, fuel type is limited,
> > > aspiration is atmospheric?  Add more revs.  But that cuts into
> > > reliability.
> > > So you build the engine just long enough to last for qualifying, and
> > you
> > > swap it out for another one that lasts just long enough for the
> race. 
> > > Wait,
> > > there is a 2-race rule?  Ok, you build the engine just long enough
> to
> > > last
> > > for TWO races, including qualifying.  But if you have to abuse it,
> run
> > > it to
> > > the ragged edge, it may not last as long as you want.
> > > 
> > > Renault built its engine to a certain spec limit.  That spec limit
> was
> > > their
> > > best guess and compromise - it has to last 2 races, but must also
> > > produce as
> > > much horsepower as possible.  If it ABSOLUTELY must last two races,
> > then
> > > you
> > > opt for lower rev limits and lose power.  If you grant your driver
> > more
> > > power for a goodly portion of a race, then you cut into whatever
> > safety
> > > margin you had built in, and run a much higher risk of blowing the
> > thing
> > > up.
> > > 
> > > Every team has the ability to build a completely bulletproof motor
> > that
> > > will
> > > last two races.  Heck, last an entire season.  But it would be dead
> > > last.
> > > 
> > > How fast do you want to go?  Well, how long do you want to dance on
> > the
> > > edge
> > > of the knife?
> > > 
> > > Renault and Alonso had to dance on the edge longer because they had
> to
> > > start
> > > from 10th and push like hell to catch up to Schumacher.  That ate
> into
> > > their
> > > safety margin.  If they had started 5th, they would not have had to
> > push
> > > as
> > > hard.  
> > > 
> > > Vty,
> > > 
> > > --Dennis
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
> > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:08 AM
> > > To: BigHeadDennis [at] earthlink.net
> > > Cc: The FerrariList
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 SPOILER
> > > 
> > > Too much theorizing here guys...his motor blew.  It wasn't up to
> > > Alonso's
> > > effort and Renault needs to work on that if a championship is
> > important.
> > > 
> > > Strategy (rev limits, cruise mode, qual mode) is pointless if your
> > > equipment
> > > isn't designed to entertain all of the possible strategic options
> when
> > > necessary.
> > > 
> > > The Renault engine should be able to endure any level of effort and
> > > abuse,
> > > despite any setback or penalty. It wasn't.
> > > 
> > > I remember the same discussion with the tires at Indy a few years
> ago.
> > > Michelin failed and all of the teams paid the price. Here Alonso is
> > > paying
> > > the price for an equipment failure. They need to step their game up
> > > because
> > > in racing, there are situations that present themselves that cannot
> be
> > > planned for or strategized around.
> > > 
> > > LS
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Dennis Liu <BigHeadDennis [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Yeah, that's my point exactly, Lashdeep - it's too difficult to
> say,
> > 
> > > > which is why one shouldn't use the excuse, "it doesn't matter
> 'cause
> > 
> > > > his engine blew up anyway!".
> > > > 
> > > > Typically with race motors, if you cut rev usage by a few hundred 
> > > > revs, you can DOUBLE the life of the motor.  A few laps at the 
> > > > absolute limit of the motor can cause it to expire in a very short
> 
> > > > time, while those same laps at 99% can cause the motor to last
> > another
> > > 
> > > > race entirely.  If Alonso had been higher up on the race grid, and
> 
> > > > managed to get himself behind Schumacher, he would not need to
> pass 
> > > > him.  Remember, even if he finishes immediately behind Schumacher
> > for 
> > > > every race between Monza and Brazil, he still wins the
> championship!
> >  
> > > > Heck, even if he finished third or fourth behind Michael in 1st or
> 
> 
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