Ferrari Mailing List: Re: BMW Mods/Forced Induction/Modern V8s...Re: FerrariDigest, Vol 5, Issue 51

[Tom Reynolds (kjtar]

Thank you, Thank you, thank you.
Windup windows, engine technology, 5 speed manual transmissions, mid/rear
engine placement (or good weight distribution in F/R platform). Radio for
news, some music, but the real sounds should be from engine/exhaust note(s).
BTW, did test drive a Porsche 911SC, found it to be really wanting.  Shifter
defeated all the wonderful possibilities of the car.  Slow, longish, vague.
In a SPORTS car. And, sounds were not pleasing, just were there, background
noise.  In the 308gt4, for instance, there were engine sounds but also
exhaust sounds that were pleasant, and actually the shifting on that car was
better (even with the oft malaligned gated shifter) than the SC's.
Apologies to 911SC owners, but I was underwhelmed.  Car was nice, not a
beater, but just no fun to drive with no pleasant noises and fun defeating
shifter.
Tom Reynolds
Tulsa, OK
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BMW Mods/Forced Induction/Modern V8s...Re:
FerrariDigest, Vol 5, Issue 51


> Each manufacturer has goals that they are looking to achieve in a
> powerplant. It depends on the project and on the budget. For a sports car,
> the parameters would most likely be:
>
> 1. Specific output
> 2. Mass/packaging (outer dimensions, weight)
> 3. Power characteristics
> 4. Economy
>
> Each parameter is tunable at the expense of others. Displacement means
> very little, but outer dimensions and weight of the engine are more
> important. I think a common misconception is that if a 7 liter engine is
> used to only produce 500bhp, it's not efficient. Efficiency is the ability
> to maximize the yield of a precious resource. Fuel is the resource
> consumed in an engine and should it be the only measure of efficiency?
>
> Furthermore, OHV engines are smaller. The heads are smaller, the top ends
> are more narrow and have less moving parts. So, in that sense they are
> more efficient.
>
> There are a lot of deep rooted opinions on different makes and
> manufacturers that were born in the 1970s and 1980s. "Ferraris are
> unreliable, domestic cars are junk, v8s are gas guzzlers, BMW/Mercs are
> reliable, Japanese cars are cheap plastic."
>
> The idea that domestic v8s are inefficient gas guzzling dinosaurs is one
> opinion that is quickly becoming obsolete.
>
> Regarding my auto preferences...
>
> I hate:
>
> All Ford garbage except for Mustangs and F series trucks
> All GM junk except for the LS based V8 cars (they're okay)
> All Chryslers period
> All BMWs
> All Mercs
> All Audis
> Anything Japanese
> All of the new Ferraris since the 512TR
> All LamboAudis after the Diablo SE30
> All Porsches post 964
>
> Exceptions:
>
> Aston Martin DB9, Vanquish
> Ford GT
> Ferrari Enzo
> Ferrari FXX
> RR Phantom
> Koenigsegg CC series
> Infiniti G35 (I give it a grade of B-)
> Anything with stability control
> Anything with NAVI
> Ariel Atom (ugly but respected)
> Lotus Elise (seriously ugly, but I can appreciate the philosophy)
>
> I guess I have an extremist view on cars. I want technology in the form of
> carbon, aluminum, TIT-anium, etc. But, I don't want electronics
> interfering with the dynamics of the car. Nor do I care about electronics
> easing the service/maint. or emissions compliance. I'll take Electromotive
> EFI, carbon fiber driveshafts and 6 piston calipers, but don't want
> stability control or NAVI.
>
> Until then, I'm building my own dream car!
>
> LS
>
>
> --- Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12/29/06, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All highway mpg figures are quoted.
> > >
> > > OHC=modern technology yet modern OHV have less mass, more power and
> > better
> > > efficiency?
> > >
> > > Has GM revolutionized the industry?
> > >
> > > Should Ferrari, BMW and Merc be ashamed?
> > >
> > > LS
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm with ya....but, is it fair to compare medium displacement OHC motors
> > with large displacement OHV motors in terms of power?
> >
> > And when the euros build to muscle car displacements, the results are
> > interesting:
> >
> > 6.0 liter Vette/GTO/CTS-V: 400hp/400 lb-ft
> > 6.0 liter Diablo: 550hp/435 lb-ft
> >
> > 4.9 liter 512 TR: 428hp/360lb-ft
> >
> > I think the general american design philosophy is to build a powerful
> > motor
> > that can rev well, but to overbuild it on displacement so to not stress
> > the
> > motor. Even the violent C6 Z06 motor with exotic parts is a little over
> > 70
> > hp/liter. There really is no such thing, IMHO as a true exotic normally
> > aspirated domestic motor if judged in this regard...except maybe a
> > Saleen S7
> > motor.
> >
> > One motor combo that I've personally experienced that is definite
> > satisfaction:
> >
> > 5.4 liter supercharged DOHC V8 Ford GT: 550hp/500lb-ft
> >
> > So to answer your question, I agree in terms of typical mass produced
> > cars,
> > but on the very high exotic end, I'd prefer a DOHC motor.
> >
> > Deep, are we losing you to the domestics? :)
> >
> > FG
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