Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC - Constitutional Issues

[LarryT (l02turner]

You *are* unique Bubba - 
;-)

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: red5hilser [at] aol.com 
  To: l02turner [at] comcast.net 
  Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC - Constitutional Issues


  Exactly like when Ceaser was told that the starving citizens were rioting in 
the streets of Rome. When asked if he wanted food shipped from Africa ... or 
special sand used in the Roman Games, he replied, "You fools, bring the sand 
and round up the Christians!"

  Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba 

   
  -----Original Message-----
  From: l02turner [at] comcast.net
  To: red5hilser [at] aol.com
  Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
  Sent: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC - Constitutional Issues


Hmmm... good points Brian.  On one hand I see things better for some groups who 
will work to learn about people running for election or re-election.  Those 
citizens who wish to know about the people running *will* find out the facts.  
Perhaps it's like it was a 100 or 200 years ago when priviledged people voted - 
except the priviledged are no longer land owners and *everyone* gets a vote.  
So 
there will be some educated voters and all the rest.

OTOH, since the media still control a large part of information going to the 
public on a regular basis they will bend the facts to suit their agenda.   Even 
the advances the cable news channels have made still fall short of the big 3 
evening news shows.

In the end, the changes to the law will mean nothing - and the public's rights 
will continue to be diluted - just a little at a time so few will notice and 
fewer will care.

Just rambling on --
;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brian E. Buxton 
  To: LarryT 
  Cc: The FerrariList 
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: NFC - Constitutional Issues


  Larry,
  I agree with you 100%.  BUT, sometimes even printing the voting records won't 
tell the entire story.  Recently defeated 8th Congressional District of Indiana 
Rep John Hostettler had a few of his votes "reported" in the newspaper, but for 
the purpose of defeating him and NOT reporting the truth.  As an example, he 
was 
chastised for voting against financial aid to Katrina victims, which he was NOT 
against.  He was voting against some of the wording of that particular bill, 
not 
against the purpose of the bill... 

  From Wikipedia ...

  "In September 2005, Hostettler was one of 11 Representatives who voted 
against 
the $51.8 billion aid package for relief and recovery from Hurricane 
Katrina.[12] Spokesman Matt Faraci said Hostettler voted against the hurricane 
measure because it included a provision making it easy for supposed do-gooders 
to pilfer federal funds. Faraci said that Hostettler would like to see federal 
funds spent helping victims of natural disasters so long as those dollars are 
not squandered. "He was very supportive of giving assistance to people affected 
by Rita and Katrina," Faraci said. "He was concerned that there were provisions 
in the bill that were open to abuse."[13]"

  There are other instances where ho voted against bills that theoretically 
would have been favorable, if they had all of the pork taken out of them.  One 
was that he voted against a pay increase to military personnel.  BUT the bill 
included so much other pork that was so wasteful it would have done more harm 
to 
the nation than it would have done good for the military personnel.  So 
reporting the facts doesn't always convey the actual truth.  And most people 
won't take the time to find out what the truth is ...

  Brian



  LarryT wrote:

    Hi Brian,
    You're right - voting records are available - but when specific groups have 
an interest in a particular policitian I believe a group - AARP, Ferrari Club, 
etc should be able to tell their members about a particular politicians voting 
record - and I suspect most people will not look at the voting data and distill 
some meaning from it.  Also, the titles of the bills can be misleading - 
McCain-Feingolds Campaign Finance reform sounds noble- and someone who voted 
against it may be seen as being pro-"the way things are" rather than someone 
who 
wants to keep big money out of politicians pockets - but there are many issues 
in that bill (and all others) very much different from what the title implies.

    Better to see - Billy Bob voted against 7 bills in the last year that would 
have restricted Ferrari ownership - as a note from FCA, rather than hoping F 
owners will look in the appropriate website and see what happened.

    But your point is valid - the info (truth) is out there - but if you apply 
the law to newspapers virtually no one will know who voted for what.  Why make 
it legal for media to publicize votes but not for citizens groups?

    Happy Sunday - 

    Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)






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