Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC - Constitutional Issues

[LarryT (l02turner]

Hi Brian,
You're right - voting records are available - but when specific groups have an 
interest in a particular policitian I believe a group - AARP, Ferrari Club, etc 
should be able to tell their members about a particular politicians voting 
record - and I suspect most people will not look at the voting data and distill 
some meaning from it.  Also, the titles of the bills can be misleading - 
McCain-Feingolds Campaign Finance reform sounds noble- and someone who voted 
against it may be seen as being pro-"the way things are" rather than someone 
who wants to keep big money out of politicians pockets - but there are many 
issues in that bill (and all others) very much different from what the title 
implies.

Better to see - Billy Bob voted against 7 bills in the last year that would 
have restricted Ferrari ownership - as a note from FCA, rather than hoping F 
owners will look in the appropriate website and see what happened.

But your point is valid - the info (truth) is out there - but if you apply the 
law to newspapers virtually no one will know who voted for what.  Why make it 
legal for media to publicize votes but not for citizens groups?

Happy Sunday - 

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brian E. Buxton 
  To: LarryT 
  Cc: The FerrariList 
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 6, Issue 35


  Larry,
  Interesting post, and I don't disagree with you, but voting records are 
readily available on the internet 24 hrs. a day.  I believe you can also 
purchase a printed book each week/month/year from the Gov't.  I have also seen 
House and Congressional votes displayed live in a C-Span channel more than once 
during the day.

  Brian


  LarryT wrote:

Hi Ken - and others,
    I was born in Orange, Tx - got back to Port Arthur in 73 to work on the 
then new Texaco refinery - left again in 75 or 76 and haven't made it back 
since - sadly, the states I've lived in (Va, NJ, SC, SC, Va, Tn, Il (yuck), 
Md, and Va have all gone in the same direction - left - when the Feds 
stopped following the Bill of Rights (remember states rights ?- it's what 
started the civil war -)  and decided it knew what was best for us.  It's 
been downhill since - for everyone.  Now, things are changed at a federal 
level and no one bothers to mention the 10th Amendment which says:<<The 
powers not [specifically] delegated to the United States by the 
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states 
respectively, or to the people. >>

    I wonder, just what "right" has been reserved to the people?  Seems like 
they all belong to the state of fed to do with as they wish.

    Unfortunately, the lawyers have managed to turn and twist everything so 
the words no longer mean anything - but what they want them to mean.  The 
Commerce clause has been bastardized to mean *anything* they want so that me 
giving my friend a piece of bubble gum can be construed as "Commerce" and 
the fed can put itself in-between the transaction.

    It's a shame we couldn't keep the good parts of the things that have 
happened over the past 50 years and toss the unintended consequences - like 
keep civil rights and toss preferences.  But that won't happen and the scum 
that rises to the top of the pond to be elected only continue to make things 
worse.

    Everytime they try to "simplify" the tax code they add 30-40,000 words 
of legalese that no one understands - not even the IRS.   In the end, the 
tax code is still used to make the public do things in certain ways.

    There's so many things wrong with the way the Govt is being run I wonder 
if it can be fixed - certainly not by the caliber of men who dominate the 
parties.  Even the freedom of speech was tossed out by the Supremes when 
they were asked to rule on the provision of the last Campaign Finance Reform 
law which says grassroots organizations cannot publicize the politicians 
voting records and positions on important issues during the 60 days prior to 
an election!  That means the groups you & I belong to so they can keep us 
informed of the things important to us have been muzzled - the politicians 
obviously don;t want us to know how they vote or what their position is.  Of 
course, the main stream media is excluded.  That way, only half the story 
gets told.

    Sorry about the rant - this thread touched a nerve.  ;-)   "Don't Mess 
With Texas!!"

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Rentiers" <rentiers [at] mac.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 6, Issue 35


  Steve:

I got to Texas back in 1978.  After color TV, but before Algore
invented the internet and global warming. Soon I was going out for
dinner with some friends; we met at someone's house. On the way out
the door I am asked if I want a "go-cup".

"What is a go-cup?"

Turns out it was a drink in a plastic cup to have while you were on
your way to dinner. See, Texas had no law against drinking and
driving. The law specified that you could not drive drunk. But there
was nothing against sipping a cool one on the commute home.

This was back in the days when citizens were still assumed to have
some semblance of personal responsibility. Before point .08,and
Hysterical Mothers Against Anything Remotely Construed As Fun.

Over the holidays I drove through California. The roads are riddled
with intrusive lighted signs advising drivers to call and report any
drunk drivers. Of course, anyone who has gone too heavy on the
cologne is going to blow .08, beer or no beer, and now the populace
are being enlisted as snitches.

It sucks. I hate the Nanny State. All Osama and friends have to do is
wait. We are pissing away America completely unaided by outside
interference. Am I in favor of drunk driving- hell no. Do I think
there are any less drunks out there in WussWorld then there were in
manly  prehistory?

Hell no.

ken


On Jan 20, 2007, at 3:33 PM, BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com wrote:

    Ken:

Too many damn Yankees (you know, not everyone who has moved in,
just those
who have moved to TX because they weren't happy at home and then
spend all of
their time trying to change it with their damned "this isn't the
way we used
to  do it back home in "X
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