Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Looking for help

[Richard Crump (richardcrumpesq]

Michael: 
  I was trained by FNA on the 328, Mondial, TR and F-40 in the 80's and worked 
at Big Red in Norman, Ok.  Frankly, of all the Ferrari's and other sports cars 
I have worked on and owned, the 328 remains my favorite to drive.  The balance 
is beautiful and the exhaust note is fantastic.  I have never turned the radio 
on in mine and I have never driven it with the windows fully closed.  It's a 
great car!  I further note that I have never had anyone turn their nose up at 
it.  Feel free to contact me if you need a reference for a reliable technician 
in Oklahoma. 
  There are several I can refer you to. 
  Richard Crump, 86, 328 and an E-Type too!

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1. Re: Classic Ferrari for sale (LS)
2. Re: Classic Ferrari for sale (Scott Carpenter)
3. Re: New non-Fcar (A.J. Merrifield)
4. Re: OH CRAP!!! RE: My Car Ownership History... (Dave Craig)
5. Looking for help (Stulberg, Michael)
6. Re: Looking for help (Dennis Liu)
7. Re: Looking for help (Brian E. Buxton)
8. Re: Looking for help (Jim and Cheryl Brown)
9. Re: Looking for help (Dennis Liu)
10. Re: Looking for help (Brian E. Buxton)
11. Re: Looking for help (Brian E. Buxton)
12. Independent Ferrari Service in Florida? (LS)
13. Re: Looking for help (LS)
14. Re: My Car Ownership History... (Fellippe Galletta)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:04:31 -0800 (PST)
From: LS 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Classic Ferrari for sale
To: "Ollivier Jacq - ClassicRallies.com" 
Cc: The FerrariList 
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Great link. The 212 Inter is positively delicious...

http://www.classicrallies.com/view_carforsale/59

Has anyone seen this car in person?

LS

--- "Ollivier Jacq - ClassicRallies.com" wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Here is a link to some great classic Ferrari for sale:
> http://www.classicrallies.com/cars_for_sale?made=57
> 
> Including: 275GTB, 212, 640F1, Dino 246GTS, Daytona....
> 
> Note that if you have classic cars for sale you can place an ad for free
> there!
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:26:12 -0500
From: "Scott Carpenter" 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Classic Ferrari for sale
To: "The FerrariList" 
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Deep,

Ferrari of Washington has a 212 in the showroom if you want to go drool on
one in person.. :-)

Scott


On 1/25/07, LS wrote:
>
> Great link. The 212 Inter is positively delicious...
>
> http://www.classicrallies.com/view_carforsale/59
>
> Has anyone seen this car in person?
>
> LS
>
> --- "Ollivier Jacq - ClassicRallies.com" wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Here is a link to some great classic Ferrari for sale:
> > http://www.classicrallies.com/cars_for_sale?made=57
> >
> > Including: 275GTB, 212, 640F1, Dino 246GTS, Daytona....
> >
> > Note that if you have classic cars for sale you can place an ad for free
> > there!
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:04:25 -0600
From: "A.J. Merrifield" <101pdt [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New non-Fcar
To: "The FerrariList" 
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Speaking of mods on Non-Fcars, I've come across some interesting items
online, but has anyone dealt with any reputable manufacturers of aftermarket
items for Jaguars? Specifically, a 2001 XJ8? Thanks in advance.
- A.J.


On 1/24/07, Dennis Liu wrote:
>
> Cool. So what mods (if any) did you have done to it???
>
> _____
>
> From: Steve Jenkins [mailto:steve [at] stevejenkins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: Dennis Liu
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: [Ferrari] New non-Fcar
>
>
> Took delivery yesterday of a black/black 2001 740iL. It's sweet! Very
> impressive performance for a car that size. Erin has been driving it all
> day.
>
> It's making me think that maybe there's a 750i in my future...
>
> SteveJ
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:15:19 -0600
From: "Dave Craig" 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OH CRAP!!! RE: My Car Ownership History...
To: "'LS'" 
Cc: 'The FerrariList' 
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I totally agree that reliability varies across each marque and also within
each model. As Dennis pointed out a few days ago, there are still cars
being made on Friday afternoons and Monday mornings. But the variations are
small compared to the general reliability of an exotic. 

Getting back to the original theme of this e-mail chain, what is acceptable
for an exotic in terms of reliability and maintenance is considered horrific
and totally unacceptable for the average car buyer. 

For most people, in the first 100,000 miles of its life, a car should only
need: tires once, brakes maybe once, oil change ten times or less, air
filter change two or three times, windshield wiper changed a few times, add
washer fluid, and maybe an automatic trans service. Anything else is
considered extreme. 

So, I do believe that Ford, GM, Daimler Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi,
and others put reliability as a primary design goal. Because no one would
buy a Honda if it broke down every 5K-10K miles or if it needed its engine
removed every 30K to change the timing belt(s). Now, sometimes the designs
fall short of their goals or parts get swapped without the expressed
approval of the design engineers. Then bad things happen.

Someone blamed poor reliability on Fords poor corporate performance. I
actually think that Ford is hurting because Ford makes ugly boring cars.
Yes, there are a few exceptions: the Mustang and its derivatives, trucks,
and the GT. Have you looked at the Fusion, the Focus, the 500, the Crown
Vic (ya, everyone has seen the insides of one of these), the Freestar
minivan, the Edge, the Freestyle, and the Escape; YUCK! The Explorer and
the Expedition are descent SUVs but the public still remembers the Firestone
explode-a-tire fiasco. Ford needs to get retro and they are just starting
to figure this out: the GT and the Mustang. I am worried that it is too
late for Ford, most automobiles have a 5 year design cycle (from concept to
manufacturing). They better have some cool cars in the pipeline. Look at
Dodges car line up. Very retro. 

We just bought a Dodge Magnum SXT and I totally expect it to last and be
reliable up to 150K and I expect it to die before it gets to 200K miles.
Will it last this long, my Dodge pickup truck did and my Mercury Cougar XR7
did. The pickup has had one problem (change the catalytic converter every
80K) in 175K miles, and the Cougar's problems have been: cracked intake
manifold (plastic), catalytic converter (it has 3 of them), TPS, and O2
sensors in 165K miles. Both the pickup and the Cougar still get driven
regularly. The pickup's front suspension is starting to get a little bit
sloppy and the Cougar appears to be down on power (it might be time for cats
again; I will have to check into that).

And to answer your question, yes, a late model Trans Am. It was a blast to
drive. 

Dave 



-----Original Message-----
From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:48 AM
To: Dave Craig
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: RE: OH CRAP!!! RE: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History...

I think the thing to remember is that you can't generalize a marque with
regards to reliability. It used to be that a company would share a handful
of drivetrain and electrical parts across different platforms. Nowadays,
everything is outsourced and cars are made as partnerships with other
brands. Japanese competition has forced a lot of cost cutting and other
efficiency improving measures.

This means that within each marque, reliability and durability can vary
across different models.

Would I buy any new Ford product? A truck or Mustang, maybe. I'd pass on
most of the other Ford models.

The Nissan V8 engine has had some problems, but their V series V6 is one
of the most reliable engines in the world as is their KA series 4 cyl.


BTW- The GT500 uses the 8.8 rear which can take up to 1000bhp easily. Who
has driven a modern live axled car that was setup properly????

LS

--- Dave Craig wrote:

> Lash,
> 
> No worries. And nice burnout video!
> 
> It is interesting that everyone is still bashing Ford and your green
> Mustang
> seams Bullet proof. Oh, there is a pun in there somewhere. Obviously
> Ford
> has reliability as a high design goal. 
> 
> Combining different e-mails, my belief is that Ford probably didn't put
> the
> IRS in the Shelby due to the 500hp and not because of cost issues. It
> wouldn't surprise me at all if this rear end turns out to be some
> derivative
> of the old nodular 9". Now that was a rear end that couldn't be
> destroyed.
> 
> Dave Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:07 PM
> To: Dave Craig
> Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> Subject: OH CRAP!!! RE: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History...
> 
> Dave, my ownership history below was actually for my one owner, dealer
> serviced, 67k original mile BMW 540i. I just put "Mustang" in the
> description to see what kind of replies I'd get based on prior knowledge
> of what type of car was being discussed.
> 
> Funny, most people said to keep it even though it was a heap. And that's
> how I feel about the BMW/Audi/VW cars I've had. I have enjoyed them
> regardless of how much work/repairs they've required. In fact, I like my
> B5 Audi more than the 540, even though I think it has more known problem
> areas...though most are very inexpensive to correct.
> 
> FYI-1997 Mustang Ownership Record (2 entries):
> 
> 223 Miles- Intermittent Foglight switch (dealer chimp installation screw
> up) 
> 
> 73xxx miles- ABS Light On, Code 63, Bad Ground at Bosch ABS Module,
> unscrewed, cleaned, re-attached $0
> 
> That's it...original clutch, water pump, radiator, not one drop of
> leaking
> fluid ever, original control arms and everything else save for
> consumables.
> 
> http://www.exhaust.tv/mustang/
> 
> My "Service Folder" for it has a bunch of receipts for aftermarket
> upgrades...not one repair of any sort after 10 yrs of ownership. I will
> never sell it.
> 
> My top 3 most reliable cars I've owned for at least 36 mos.
> 
> 1. 1997 Mustang Cobra (tie) 2 documented "issues"
> 1. 1990 Nissan 240SX (tie) 2 documented "issues"
> 2. 1976 Ferrari 308 3 "issues" (rebuilt cooling fan, bad set of points,
> A/C line split)
> 
> LS
> 
> 
> 
> --- Dave Craig wrote:
> 
> > Lash,
> > 
> > It appears you are having similar problems to what I had in my last
> > TransAm.
> > I loved that car and felt invincible in it. I drove it like it was
> > stolen
> > every single day. I am the first to admit, I was very very hard on
> that
> > car. I eventually sold the car at 60K miles because of issues; I felt
> > like
> > it was having a major breakdown every month. I have missed that car
> > more
> > than any other car I have ever owned, I truly regret selling it. 
> > 
> > So, my advice is, if you really love the car, just keep fixing it or
> you
> > will regret it. However, another option is to trade it for a similar
> > car
> > with lower mileage. Or better yet, upgrade to the new Mustang Shelby
> > GT500.
> > It has to be the best deal out there. $41,675.00 gets you 500hp. I
> > know
> > there are a lot on this List that poo-poo domestic cars, but this car
> > can't
> > be touched by any other car manufacturer for similar money. 
> > 
> > Dave Craig
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:16 PM
> > To: Dave Craig
> > Cc: The FerrariList
> > Subject: [Ferrari] My Car Ownership History...
> > 
> > My 1997 Mustang Cobra service history:
> > 
> > 7,xxx Seat creaking, replaced passenger front seat track ($489)
> > 8,xxx Engine running rough, replaced ECU
> > 8,xxx Engine idling rough, check engine light, replaced ignition coil
> > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights
> > 11,xxx Replaced right side brake lights again
> > 17,xxx Transmission clunks when reapplying throttle, service trans
> > 19,xxx Trans clunk is louder, service trans, electronic control button
> 
> > faulty (Mechanics say that trans replacement is inevitable before 80k
> > $2000!!)
> > 20,xxx CD Player won't engage magazine, reset CD player, check wiring
> > 28,xxx replaced *ENGINE* by dealer, knocking, faulty top end and
> sleeves
> > 37,xxx Cooling system leak replaced water pump, broken plastic
> impeller
> > 39,xxx Cooling system leak replaced radiator
> > 43,xxx Vibration and clicking noise above 70mph, replace driveshaft
> > bearing
> > 45,xxx Door trim falling off
> > 46,xxx Radio display dead, replace head unit
> > 48,xxx Steering wheel creaking very, very loudly. Regrease column,
> > monitor
> > noise and fluid level.
> > 
> > What should I do with this thing?? I love it...
> > 
> > LS
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:39:35 -0600
From: "Stulberg, Michael" 
Subject: [Ferrari] Looking for help
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I am new to the Ferrari world, my past cars have been fun but I am still
missing something and I think a Ferrari is that missing link. My other
cars have included a 1995 Porsche 911 turbo, 1999 Corvette and my pride
and joy a 1968 Jaguar E-Type.



I have anjoyed all of these cars and I still own the E-Type but I have
decided to look for a 88'-89' 328 GTS, I thought this would be a fairly
easy process since there are many out there to choose from but I am
really struggling with this purchase. I am in Houston Texas so I decided
this morning to go to Ferrari of Houston...big mistake, I might as well
have been asking the salesman to look at a Kia because he instantly
turned his nose up at me and said that he doesn't deal in these cars and
the best place to look is Ferrarilist.com. I have heard this about the
dealers that basically have the attitude that older Ferraris are the
volkswagon of the line but I didn't expect to be scoofed at
immediately...oh well, no harm no foul.



So I am here...



I have done my research (at least as much as I could find on the
internet) but I have yet to find any owners to talk to in the area that
can shed some light on who I can trust in Houston to inspect any
prospective cars that I may find, or offer any advice on the 328. I am
not limited to the Houston area, I don't care where the car is as long
as it is within the continental US, which brings to mind another
problem, if I buy a car outside the state who can I trust in whatever
state I may be looking? I am not looking for the cheapest 328, I would
preffer a car that I can trust and a car that is perfect or almost
perfect. My budget is around $50K...now before you say...hey go look at
the 348 or the TR, I REALLY like the style of the 328, nothing against
the other models but they are just not for me at this stage. I like the
older styling and the lines of the 328.



The only other problem I have is that I have never driven a 328, I have
looked everywhere to try to test drive one but the only opportunities I
have seen have been out of state and with my schedule that makes things
a little tough.



Any advice? Do I have to buy the latest model to be accepted???







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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:05:56 -0500
From: Dennis Liu 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Looking for help
To: "'Stulberg, Michael'" 
Cc: 'The FerrariList' 
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Michael, one of our more illustrious and prodigious posters, Dr. Ken
Rentiers, will surely weigh in shortly. Dr. Ken resides in Houston, used to
own a 328, and will be a very valuable resource for you, I'm sure.

And you'll also get a bunch of other responses about the 328, especially
from the legendary and semi-mythical clyDe (TM), who will opine that the 328
is the most reliable Ferrari ever built, and you should be proud to own one.
And then a bunch of others will jump in echoing that opinion.

Then the topic of pricing will come up, which will be divided broadly into
two camps, which I'll call the clyDe (TM) camp, which will argue that
$25k-$45k will cover the spread, while the other camp, which I'll call the
Buxton camp, will argue that the real spread should be $40k-$85k (and Buxton
will point you to the one he has for sale).

And you'll get a bit of noise along with the signal, but that's what makes
Flist fun.

Oh, and re your question about being accepted: yes, it's a common attitude
at the dealership, but don't let that discourage you. It's no different
than going to a Porsche dealership and asking for help finding a 944 Turbo.
They'll stare at you, as that's now a 15-20 year old car and superceded by
multiple new models. As for acceptance in the "Ferrari world", no worries -
most Ferrari communities are very open to owners of all vintages. 


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