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From: LarryT (l02turner comcast.net)
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| Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:46:29 -0700 (PDT) | |
Hi Doug,
Sadly, the '07 Bluetec E320 - a very clean diesel - is not offered for sale in Ca or the states that follow lockstep the CARB reqmnts. Don't know what happens if someone wants to move *in*to Ca (why??) who already owns a 07 320 Bluetec. Maybe make them sell it or stop them at the border? Can't stop illegal aliens but they'll keep the clean burning diesels out!! <LOL>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC]
Sadly, the '07 Bluetec E320 - a very clean diesel - is not offered for sale in Ca or the states that follow lockstep the CARB reqmnts. Don't know what happens if someone wants to move *in*to Ca (why??) who already owns a 07 320 Bluetec. Maybe make them sell it or stop them at the border? Can't stop illegal aliens but they'll keep the clean burning diesels out!! <LOL>
See ya!! ;-)
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC]
Hi Larry - so far, California doesn't smog check diesels. Oh you can bet they are thinking about it but so far have no real good test for it. Ohhhh, I guess on the big rigs get a Ringelman Smoke Chart test but that's about the extent of it.
DOUG
----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC]
Hi Ken, You wrote<<It's possible to get close to 30 mpg in a modern common-rail diesel, after that you have to go to tiny little cars>>
You may need to modify your ponitifcation (always wanted to say that) a
little. While cost is ceetainly a component, diesels have been getting 30
and higher in mid sized cars for a while. Our '91 Mercedes 300D 2.5T is a 4
door, 3000+ # sedan which seats 5 adults and we consistantly get 30-33mpg.
While it was $40k new IIRC, I paid $8k for it last year when it had 99k
miles on it. The newer 95 E300D was capable of 40mpg's under the right
conditions and the new E300 BlueTec - the identification to diesel has been
completely dropped has a EPA highway estimate of 37mpg.
Unfortunately, Ca, Me, Ma,NY & Vt - have all passed emissions limits which
even this *very* clean diesel cannot yet meet unless it uses a additive
system which is not yet approved. The solution is obvious - everyone should
move from those states and buy a diesel to get a dramatic improvement in
MPGs.
Prior (by about 3 months) to buying the 91 300D we had bought our daughters
99 Camry - with 99k miles for the same $8k. It got around 25mpg's and did
not feel anywhere near as safe. Add to that, the MB is larger, *much*
easier to repair, has eternal good looks, gets MB road service for the life
of the car, etc., etc. I opened the hood on te Camry and didint see
anything I'd feel comfortable working on. Did the same with the Mercedes
and it was like seeing an old friend.
But I still don't want congress deciding what cars will be in the showrooms.
The market place will decide - if people want hybrids, H-powered cars, etc,
the car makers will build them! I seem to recall Toy or Hon stopping the
sale of their Hybrid because of poor sales?
Ken earlier wrote:<<Lets get the President a nice four place Cessna! Nomore private jets for Congressional flights,>>
Congress has a habit of creating all kinds of Draconian laws for the rest of
us while making sure they are exempt from the stupid laws. remember the
laws recognizing equality of all people? Like women, African-Americans,
etc? Didn;t apply to Congress. They want a ceetain % of an inductry to be
filled with a certain type of person, but not in Congress! Afterall they
think they're royalty why should they have to do what the little people do?
Sorry - I gotta stop - Later ya'll -
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message ----- From: "ken rentiers" <rentiers [at] mac.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC]
Norm:
{rant}
It's all just knee-jerk symbolism. You can't repeal the Laws of Physics no matter how many stupid laws you pass. It's possible to get close to 30 mpg in a modern common-rail diesel, after that you have to go to tiny little cars. Watch the highway death rates climb! Try passing an 18 wheeler in your Toyota Echo! OOoooooops - splaaaat!
America - save 5% on your gasoline consumption today: get off your fat asses and lose 100 pounds!!!
Hybrids use more energy than current gasoline engines if you consider the total requirements for manufacture, and where are we going to dispose of all those lead-acid batteries? Hydrogen cars require hydrogen, short of fusion or geothermal power, cracking the hydrogen is a net loss as well. Ethanol is another big joke, add in the power and water needed to grow all that Iowa corn and it's almost a perfect wash. Question for the Presidential Candidates -if ethanol is such a good solution why are we subsidizing it?
Plus we are not short of oil. We are short of refineries. Here's how to save 50% of America's fossil fuel use; build nukes to replace the Edwardian coal-burning stationary plants. Thanks Jane Fonda, you singlehandedly set us back fifty years. China is building 50 new nukes as I write this; there's your $%^&* China Syndrome!!! May your tits get caught in a windmill!
{/rant}
ken
On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Alfaowner wrote:
Ken:
Remember when Bush chastised us Americans because we are addicted to foreign oil? And, then spent the next couple of weeks flying all over the place? I'm just glad it was jet fuel, not 112 octane race fuel he was wasting on those political trips.
Norm
-----Original Message----- From: ken rentiers [mailto:rentiers [at] mac.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:40 AM To: Norm Cc: The FerrariList Subject: [Ferrari] mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC]
The average US driver does 11,000 miles a year. At 25 MPG that's 440 gallons of gasoline a year.
Air Force One is a 747. Cruising at 576 mph it burns 3378 gallons an hour of jet fuel. Enough for 7.6 years of commuting by Joe Schmuck.
The US Senate has just voted to raise the CAFE to 35 mpg by 2020.
Why stop there? Lets get the President a nice four place Cessna! No more private jets for Congressional flights, let them eat cake on Amtrak!
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- Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC], (continued)
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Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] Alfaowner, June 22 2007
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Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] ken rentiers, June 22 2007
- Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] LarryT, June 22 2007
- Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] Doug and Terri Anderson, June 22 2007
- Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] LarryT, June 23 2007
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Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] ken rentiers, June 22 2007
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Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] Alfaowner, June 22 2007
- Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] LarryT, June 24 2007
- Re: mileage -some are more equal than others[NFC] Paul Bennett, June 23 2007
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