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Re: ferrari infringement ebay
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:26:53 -0700 (PDT)
Dennis wrote:<<I'm a little surprised that teachers don't know this, what with all of the
debate over fair use for classroom use, etc. Maybe it's just Canadian>>

IMHO, teachers instruct students with little of what they need in real life to live ethically and make a living. The most glaring omission is the "make a living" part - while I believe history, language, math in all it's forms, science, even shop class all go to prepare a person to be intelligent, learn to research those things of interest and prepare them for future education (sort of) the teaching of how businesses work and what they must do to succeed is lacking.

Ask a teenager what wants to do and you might hear "to open a store" (perhaps a surf shop) but they have no idea about how to rent a building, find & buy fixtures and suppliers, handle payroll and most improtantly,how to manage money.

Oh well, not going to solve that problem -
;-)

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Liu" <bigheaddennis [at] gmail.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay


Hey, I know, let's blame the lawyers.

Michel, it's intellectual property law 101. If you create intellectual
property, be it a book, a song, a movie, a painting, an invention, a
trademark, or even shop manuals, the law gives you certain rights and
protections. Why? As incentive to keep on producing. If there were no
intellectual property law, then creativity would be greatly reduced. If
there was no patent law, why would inventors or companies spend time and
money to invent new things, when the next guy can copy it immediately? How
would artists live if no one paid them for their work? There would be no
iPod, no Halo, heck, F1 would not exist in the way it does now.

Sure, we can blather on about DRM and P2P systems and encryption and CCL
etc., but the bottom line is that if you do not hold a license to use the IP
rights that belong to someone else, then you're breaking the law by copying
it. It is not a defense to say, "hey, I wasn't making money on it", nor
"but it's out of print!"

That's why you can't just sell copies of Beauty and the Beast, even if
Disney isn't selling DVDs of it, and why you can't just burn copies of your
CDs for all of your friends, even if you give it away for nothing. And if
something IS out of print or otherwise unavailable, as much as you and I
think it might make sense for the IP owner to sell copies, if they choose
not to, well, tough noogies. I do think Ferrari should sell more, if not
make them available for free over the net, but they don't and that's life.
(Just as how I think Ferrari should up production so I can finally get my
car, but they don't listen to me on that regard either.)

I'm a little surprised that teachers don't know this, what with all of the
debate over fair use for classroom use, etc.  Maybe it's just Canadian
teachers....  :-P

Vty,

--Dennis


-----Original Message-----
From: Alfaowner [mailto:alfaowner [at] sprynet.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:44 PM
To: Dennis Liu
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay

Michael:

Ferrari, like GM & many others have taken the stance that ANY infringement
on their copyrights is illegal.  You're lucky they haven't sued you.

Is that attitude shortsighted?  You bet.  But, don't forget that lawyers
have to make a living too.  And, they believe that if you let someone get
away with making copies of your literature, the next step will be making
copies of their primary product - cars.  And, then the Chinese, Koreans &
Indians would be making "Ferraris."

Bottom line is Ferrari doesn't care if owners have manuals. They want their
franchised dealers to get the business.

Norm

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Savard [mailto:mysavard [at] dsuper.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:00 PM
To: Norm
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay


I've been selling copies of my parts manual (1981 308 GTSi) for many years
on Ebay. A few months ago, Ebay cancelled my auction. I took the word "copy"
out of the title and the description. I sold them again and it worked for a
few months before Ebay cancelled my auction again saying that Ferrari
doesn't allow this.

Ebay gave me a Ferrari email address in case I wanted to bring my case to
Ferrari. Now before I do that, I need some help as to what I should write to
Ferrari about that. After all, they don't make new parts manual for old cars
anymore, they don't sell copies neither. So, why do they bother ?

Please help me make a strong case to Ferrari.

Michael Savard (Canada)




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