Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.

[Dave Handa (dave]

Steve,

Steve,


I like several brands and types of pistols, not just Glock, but until you
disclose this enormous safety defect which only you seem to perceive, then I
guess the rest of us are in the dark.  In today's overly litigious society,
Glock would have been put out of business years ago, yet instead of being
run out of business, Glock has continued for the past decade to be the
number #1 selling pistol by far.  It is not just about price, as there are
plenty of less expensive alternatives from Ruger, Taurus, S&W, etc.  Yet,
year in and year out, Glock as remained #1 both in the consumer and law
enforcement market.  Yet according to you, Glock has an apparently poor
safety record.  Can you cite this apparently "well known" safety record?
Where is this data base?  Why would this not be more well know amongst the
public, both private citizen and law enforcement?  Why would the FBI
continue to use Glock 22's as standard issue pistol, as well as literally
hundreds of agencies across North America?  WHY IN FACT DOES ALMOST EVERY
PISTOL MANUFACTURER PRODUCE A PISTOL WITH AN ALMOST IDENTICAL FUNCTIONING
TRIGGER AS THE GLOCK PISTOL?  (This would include S&W Military and Police,
Ruger SR9, Sig Sauer with the DAK trigger, FN Forty Nine, etc)

I have stated previously that Glock pistols are very safe.  AS SAFE AS THEY
CAN BE, AND STILL BE USEFUL
That is a "perfectly safe gun, is also "perfectly useless".  Glocks have
three safety mechanisms: 1) trigger safety 2)  A firing pin safety 3)  Drop
safety
Unless someone is violating the four universal firearm safety rules, I fail
to see how a Glock pistol could possibly present a hazard to the user or
others.

A Glock pistol will only fire when the user depresses the trigger, as it is
intended and designed to do.  The gun will only fire with an intentional
trigger press by the user, if the four universal firearms safety rules are
followed.

Please enlighten us all, if only to protect us from this terrible hazard you
have found in the design.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:25 PM
To: dave [at] davehanda.com
Cc: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net; The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.

 
 
In a message dated 12/20/2007 5:16:46 AM Central Standard Time,  
ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com writes:

A friend  of mine has offer to sell me a gun (un solicited mind you).  It is
a  Glock G19 with 4 clips (nothing else comes with it) for $500 cash and  no
paper work

Dave (Craig, nothing will change Dave Handa' s mind on this issue)
 
Run, don';t walk away from the Glock. From what you say in your posting you

don't have much experience with handguns and any Glock, not just the Mod. 19

is  not well suited to an experienced Conceal and Carry owner. You can find
any 
 number of guns with better safety reputations, SigSauers, SigPros, etc. in 
that  same price range and will have far fewer safety issues and potential
for  
accidental discharges with these other brands.
 
As to the four magazines and the "no paper" issue, well, how many times to  
expect to need four magazines full of ammunition to disengage or defend  
yourself? And if you did need that many rounds would you really be carrying
all  
four magazines at one time anyway. Two magazines seem to be plenty for most

shooters and gun owners. I do agree with the statements about the "value" of
"no  
paper" guns. I think all of the black helicopters are still parked, the 
Federal  (though I don't know where you live so I can't comment on state
government) 
 government has been relatively benign as to who owns what handguns for
quite 
a  while, and unless you have a deep dark secret history which will prevent 
you  from passing the new, "improved" NICS check (in which case you probably

won't  qualify for a conceal and carry permit anyway) it won't matter to you
in 
any  event. There is even one benefit of being "on paper" in many states. If

you need  to report a stolen firearm, or prove ownership at recovery time
this 
record may  be helpful.
 
Are you really going to carry the gun, or just get a permit to have one? If

you are going to carry the gun, I'd be more concerned with the holster  
availability, comfort on your hip (or ankle) for most of a day and how it
would  fit 
in the briefcase you usually carry with you, etc. than the four magazines.  
There are a number of other personal fit factors that you will want to look
at  
before buying any gun, Glock or otherwise. As for caliber, for personal 
defense  you will find a promoter of any of the following, .40S&W, .45ACP FN

Herstal  makes a particularly nice smaller model pistol for this caliber),
9mm, .357 
Sig  in pistols alone and of course should you, after much study, elect to 
carry a  revolver you will have some other choices as well. And contrary to 
popular  belief, while they are currently not considered to be "in vogue" 
revolvers are  neither obsolete nor antiquated, and for many civilians
carrying a 
conceal  weapon for protection they may be the best choice as they require
far 
less  maintenance than any pistol, are less complex to operate, and the
misfire  
clearing procedures are quite straight forward, simple and intuitive. One 
other  thing, if you are carrying a firearm for personal protection it is
not the 
time  to become economy minded. Before you buy one at least go to a good gun

shop and  look at several firearms, revolvers and pistols, handle them, look
at 
the  leather (holsters) and try it on while wearing the same type of clothes

that you  will be customarily be wearing when you intend to carry the
firearm. 
If you are  most comfortable with a Berretta then spend a little time
looking 
for the right  model one and consider that as well.
 
I guess I've been carrying one concealed virtually every day for the last
37 
years, in both soft clothes and in a business suit, where concealment was  
critical and where it didn't really matter much so I have developed a
particular 
 set of preferences. I'm not going to respond any further nor engage in 
addition  pro and anti-Glock arguments (I'm sure you and most others know
each 
listmembers  handgun preferences ad nauseum) or be any more specific on the
list 
other than  to reiterate that you should spend some time looking at several 
guns, both  revolvers and pistols, see if you have any friends who might let
you 
shoot  several different caliber handguns so that you can decide if recoil
is 
a  personal issue or not, if you are serious about carrying a firearm look
at 
the  holsters for each firearm and how they fit your life style and then
make 
a  decision. If you ever find yourself in the position of needing to use the

firearm you buy its acquisition cost, even if it is a hundred dollars more 
than  another one, will rapidly become irrelevant.
 
Now I'll step back and put on my protective vest waiting for the Glock
crowd.
 
Dr. Steve

 
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