Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.

[clyderomero (clyderomero]

Well it depends on the situation 
If wiskey is involved ......

How's the wx out west 
It sucks on the east coast


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:38:39 
To:clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net
Cc:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.


Hey cLyDe: I assume that goes for women too?
 
 Yer pal, Shitbox Bubba
 
 
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 From: clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net <mailto:clyderomero [at] 
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 Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.
 
 
Learn how to use anything before buying it Clyde Sent via BlackBerry from 
Cingular Wireless -----Original Message----- From: BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com
 <mailto:BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>  In a message dated 12/20/2007 5:16:46 AM 
Central Standard Time, ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com 
<mailto:ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com>  writes: A friend of mine has 
offer to sell me a gun (un solicited mind you). It is a Glock G19 with 4 clips 
(nothing else comes with it) for $500 cash and no paper work Dave (Craig, 
nothing will change Dave Handa' s mind on this issue) Run, don';t walk away 
from the Glock. From what you say in your posting you don't have much 
experience with handguns and any Glock, not just the Mod. 19 is not well suited 
to an experienced Conceal and Carry owner. You can find any number of guns with 
better safety reputations, SigSauers, SigPros, etc. in that same price range 
and will have far fewer safety issues and potential for accidental discharges 
with these other brands. As to the four magazines and the "no paper" issue, 
well, how many times to expect to need four magazines full of ammunition to 
disengage or defend yourself? And if you did need that many rounds would you 
really be carrying all four magazines at one time anyway. Two magazines seem to 
be plenty for most shooters and gun owners. I do agree with the statements 
about the "value" of "no paper" guns. I think all of the black helicopters are 
still parked, the Federal (though I don't know where you live so I can't 
comment on state government) government has been relatively benign as to who 
owns what handguns for quite a while, and unless you have a deep dark secret 
history which will prevent you from passing the new, "improved" NICS check (in 
which case you probably won't qualify for a conceal and carry permit anyway) it 
won't matter to you in any event. There is even one benefit of being "on paper" 
in many states. If you need to report a stolen firearm, or prove ownership at 
recovery time this record may be helpful. Are you really going to carry the 
gun, or just get a permit to have one? If you are going to carry the gun, I'd 
be more concerned with the holster availability, comfort on your hip (or ankle) 
for most of a day and how it would fit in the briefcase you usually carry with 
you, etc. than the four magazines. There are a number of other personal fit 
factors that you will want to look at before buying any gun, Glock or 
otherwise. As for caliber, for personal defense you will find a promoter of any 
of the following, .40S&W, .45ACP FN Herstal makes a particularly nice smaller 
model pistol for this caliber), 9mm, .357 Sig in pistols alone and of course 
should you, after much study, elect to carry a revolver you will have some 
other choices as well. And contrary to popular belief, while they are currently 
not considered to be "in vogue" revolvers are neither obsolete nor antiquated, 
and for many civilians carrying a conceal weapon for protection they may be the 
best choice as they require far less maintenance than any pistol, are less 
complex to operate, and the misfire clearing procedures are quite straight 
forward, simple and intuitive. One other thing, if you are carrying a firearm 
for personal protection it is not the time to become economy minded. Before you 
buy one at least go to a good gun shop and look at several firearms, revolvers 
and pistols, handle them, look at the leather (holsters) and try it on while 
wearing the same type of clothes that you will be customarily be wearing when 
you intend to carry the firearm. If you are most comfortable with a Berretta 
then spend a little time looking for the right model one and consider that as 
well. I guess I've been carrying one concealed virtually every day for the last 
37 years, in both soft clothes and in a business suit, where concealment was 
critical and where it didn't really matter much so I have developed a 
particular set of preferences. I'm not going to respond any further nor engage 
in addition pro and anti-Glock arguments (I'm sure you and most others know 
each listmembers handgun preferences ad nauseum) or be any more specific on the 
list other than to reiterate that you should spend some time looking at several 
guns, both revolvers and pistols, see if you have any friends who might let you 
shoot several different caliber handguns so that you can decide if recoil is a 
personal issue or not, if you are serious about carrying a firearm look at the 
holsters for each firearm and how they fit your life style and then make a 
decision. If you ever find yourself in the position of needing to use the 
firearm you buy its acquisition cost, even if it is a hundred dollars more than 
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