Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Service Time Schedule F355

[E M (pokiebaron]

I couldn't find the tool and was told it's no longer being made based on the
tool part number in the book.  I ended up fabing one up.  Had the shop do
the work the first time and the belt broke early.  I suspect they put a nic
in it when installing it.  Was a cheap low compression engine, so wasn't a
valve bender.

Broke going down the highway.  Was carrying enough speed, I got to the off
ramp, and down it too.  Good thing as there was no shoulder.  What's that
you always say about flying fast and check 9 ?  Worked for me that day. :-)

Ed
911SC

On 15/03/2008, clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net <clyderomero [at] 
worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
> I agree the book times are highly inflated
> But if the jpb requires specialtools
> Either buy them for the job
> Or take it to the dealer
>
> Clyde
> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "E M" <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
>
> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:10:24
> To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc:"ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Service Time Schedule F355
>
>
> One time I would have lost my shirt was doing the timing belt on an older
> GM
> car.  Didn't have the right tool, and couldn't find one anywhere.  Messed
> around for 15 hours with that!!!  Second time I did it on the same car,
> took
> me 2.5 hours.  Just as good I don't do this stuff for a living. :-)
>
> Ed
> 911SC
>
> On 15/03/2008, Jeff Greenfield <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not saying that you can't beat the flat rate times, often you can.
> >
> > However, many times there are other complications that will creep up
> that
> > will suck up way more time then what flat rate will allow.
> >
> > IMHO, there seems to be a direct correlation between the age of the car
> > and the amount of time required ... The older the car, the longer it
> takes.
> >
> > I've seen flat rate times on some cars that are completely absurd in
> both
> > directions too.
> >
> > Just my $0.02
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 15, 2008, at 1:36 PM, "E M" <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I found when tinkering on porsches over the years, often I, and friends
> > can do the jobs well under the book times.  Couple of times, there were
> > three of us, ok, book is usually for one, but some jobs, a second person
> has
> > to be assumed will step in for a few minutes here and there unless the
> one
> > mechanic had a 10 foot arm span.  With 3 of us, 2 working, and one
> making
> > coffee, we had the engine in and out of a 928 is about 1/5 the book
> time,
> > and even then, that was taking into account a few problems along the
> way.  I
> > forget the book time for a 911 oil change, but it's kind of a
> joke.  Take
> > longer for the oil to drain out than the rest of the change.  15 mins,
> it's
> > done.  I think the book says to remove the a/c compressor, if I remember
> > from years back, but I can't figure out for the life of me why.  If you
> > can't get the filter out with the compressor in place, you're in the
> wrong
> > line of work.
> >
> > Just my experience though.  I've also done the same work on cars that I
> > paid to have done previously.  Removing the price for parts, and just
> > looking at labour based on how long the same jobs took me, these guys
> are
> > making more per hour than my lawyer often.  I know mechanics have a lot
> of
> > over head, but my lawyer isn't exactly working out of the back of his
> car
> > either. ;-)
> >
> > Ed
> > 911SC
> >
>
> > On 15/03/2008, Jeff Greenfield < <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com>
> coyote [at] acme-ltd.com>
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Can't help with the 355 times, but be careful using flat rate times if
> > > you can find them.
> > >
> > > They assume all sorts of things that don't always happen in the real
> > > world such as access to all those factory tools in the manual, and
> > > that everything comes apart as intended.
> > >
> > > Things such as frozen fasteners or having to take something apart in a
> > > fashion other than intended when something won't come apart the way
> > > it  is supposed to in order to avoid damaging an expensive (or
> > > irreplaceable) gizmo all take additional time.
> > >
> > > As an example, I had to remove an A/C compressor as it was in the way
> > > of replacing something else. One of the fitting on the hose was
> > > frozen, so I had to remove the compressor with the hose by
> > > disconnecting the hose at the other end. Only way to to it to avoid
> > > replacing a difficult to find hose and possibly the compressor.
> > >
> > > Lastly, most flat rate times assume that the job in question as been
> > > done multiple times by the person doing it.
> > >
> > > The flat rate times are a useful thing to know, whether you are doing
> > > the job yourself or having it done, but not all jobs can be done in
> > > the flat rate time every time.
> > >
> > > Just my perspective from someone who has been on the other side of the
> > > service counter for a long time.
> > >
> > > But then again, I could be completely wrong ...
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Mar 14, 2008, at 9:29 PM, "Peter Pless" < <ferrarilist [at] 
> > > pless.com.au
> >
> > > ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Has anyone been able to find this manual online?
> > > >
> > > > Basically shows how long all the mechanical stuff on a 355 should
> > > > take to
> > > > do.
> > > >
> > > > Makes for great ammo when you're visiting your mechanic!
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
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