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well after bush just loaned 500 billion of our money (borrowed from  

china) to rich guys I feel like a victom..........

Robert W. Garven Jr.
rgarven [at] gmail.com

 "The Ferrari is a dream - people dream of owning this special  

vehicle and for most people it will remain a dream apart from for  

those lucky few". Enzo Ferrari

On Sep 20, 2008, at 10:50 AM, BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com wrote:

I have to admit to some confusion. It seems difficult for me to  

understand

how words posted to an Internet site can "bully" anyone. It's not  

like standing

at the entry to the schoolyard and threatening you with physical  

harm if you

don't give me your lunch money. I guess I believe that spoken and  

written

words  are free expression and can only harm those who choose to be  

so harmed by

internalizing them and responding in a manner consistent with that

internalization. It appears to me that everyone here is free in  

their right to

expression and consistently exercises their right to do so  

(including yourself),  so

please feel free to say anything you wish, if truthful about me, and

regardless of veracity, in response to something that I have written  

or said  (just

be sure that any quotations are accurate and not out of contrast).

I remain neither the bully or the victim,

Dr. Steve

In a message dated 9/20/2008 10:50:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
themightytoe [at] gmail.com writes:

Ahh the  season of Flist politics is upon us...  Being someone who  

typically

votes  against a candidate rather than for one, man I miss the days  

of guns

and  watches and home theater equipment discussions...

I have been reading a  lot of this clap trap and diatribe of:  If  

you like

enemas and eating  babies so and so is your man...  with a definite  

undertone of

"you suck  for thinking that way" behind it all.

Seriously that isn't so much a  dialog as an attempt at bullying  

your beliefs

onto everyone else.  If you  are going to talk about what is  

important to

you, talk about what is important  to you and if you really want to  

put it out

there say why...  Personally  two things in life are inevitable:   

Death and

taxes...

I can frame  what I want:

1.  To always have good opportunities for employment and  places to  

live

2.  To know my family is happy (most of the time), safe  and healthy  

and will

be for their entire lives

3.  To keep all the  money I earn and to be able to spend it on what  

I want

and where I  want.

4.  To know that my children, if they work for it, will have as   

good or

better lives than I did

5.  To be free to travel, explore,  speak, read, learn, pray and be  

social

how ever I want.
6.  To know my  neighbors share my values.

7.  To know that the things I truly need in  life (food, shelter,  

health

care) will always be affordable

8.  To  know my friends and their friends and their friends have all  

the

above  items...

Which parts of the list above do I think are a social   

responsibility that

people recognize eg everyone sees that those goals are  something we  

all should

strive for?  VS something the government needs to  enforce and  

mandate since

the people are too ignorant, greedy, or unorganized  to do it?

My view:
People:  #1, #2, #3, #4,  #6
Govmint:  #5, #7, #8

So that isn't too bad... Now as for  candidates:  They all are  

pretty much

the same.  Economics should  drive most important decisions and  

having good

advisors, qualified people, and  a bit of good luck as with any  

endeavour, is the

real key...  I would not  hire an electrical engineer to build a  

bridge and I

would not hire a lawyer to  remove my appendix...  I would hire the  

best civil

engineer and doctor I  could afford...  This is no different...   

Find out who

has the best  team, or can put together the best team and go with  

them.  So

can Obama  and Biden build a better team than McCain and Palin?   

They pull from

the  same pools of people pretty much so which pair will listen to  

their

advice and  which pair is smarter?  I don't know the answer to that,  

but I don't

think Palin adds a lot of capability into the mix...  Kinda like  

hiring  your

secretary to be your new CEO...  Sure she may have sat in on a few   

meetings

but she is seriously unqualified to balance the books every   

quarter...

Its all moot since we have an electoral college anyhow and  those  

snow blind

Inuits from Alaska's votes count for like 3000 of us lower 48   

stater's

voters...

Ah now to go eat some babies and vote for higher  taxes....

BR,
Mike

_BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com_ (mailto:BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com)  wrote:
Tom:

Maybe so, but I think you have to look at the past several years, at  

least

since 9/11 to judge someone for the highest office in the land.

If you believe in the Second Amendment, personal responsibility, and  

the

ability to retain wealth that is earned, then Barry Hussein is not  

your man.

If

you are a liberal thinker who believes that those of us who have  

earned our

(sometimes meager) wealth are obligated to use it in furtherance of  

avarice

and

indolence, affirmative action that distorts the quality of our  

employment

and  educational institutions through reverse discrimination, and  

that your

personal  property rights should be subordinated to social  

engineering, then

of

course  Barry Hussein is the right choice.

Its not a matter of good and evil, simply a matter of personal  

values (and

of course the Constitution). If you agree with what B.H.O. has done  

with his

adult life and think that you want America to follow that course  

vote for him

for those reasons, not cute sayings of speech writers that he can  

memorize

and

regurgitate.

Just hire the man who actually stands for one's personal belief  

structure,

not the pretty face or TV anchorman presentation when recruiting for  

what may

be  the most important job in the entire world and is certainly the  

most

important  in the United States.

If Barry Hussein Obame is your man, go for it. If not, look  

elsewhere for

national leadership.

And either way, hopefully we'll still be friends.

Dr. Steve

In a message dated 9/19/2008 9:24:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_kjtar [at] cox.net_ (mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net)  writes:

All I  know is that Barack is smart, has good people around him, and  

can

speak in  public without embarrasing himself (if he were sensitive  

enough  to

recognize any slight errors). Also I saw a great quote, which I'll   

repeat

here:

Capitalism's criminal excesses saved by socialist  governmental  

policies. (Or

something like that, it was in the Tulsa World  today, from a Nader  

speech as

OSU Tulsa campus).

Tom Reynolds

Tulsa,  OK

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From:  _<BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>_ (mailto:BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com)

To: "Tom Reynolds" _<kjtar [at] cox.net>_ (mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net)

Cc:  "The FerrariList" _<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>_
(mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com)

Sent: Thursday, September  18, 2008 1:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Latest Government Actions (NFC)  [Ferrari  

Digest,Vol

26, Issue 27]

Larry:

If  there were only to be a solution. Do we vote for Barry Hussein  

Obama,

whose depth of experience is only exceeded by my son who is a  college

senior and

might even graduate eventually, or the  McManchurian candidate, a good

sailor

who  stood up as best he  could for as long as he could to the Hanoi  

Hilton

and

who is   to be respected for that, but that experience is just  not

applicable

to  the job he is seeking, particularly after  leaving his first  

wife who

stood by a  Navy POW Aviator during  his confinement in the PRVN,  

but was

then

enticed by the   riches of his second wife, who performs the same  

duties

for him as

Ms.  Heinz-Kerry does for her former sailr?

Votes for any  other third party are "throw-a-ways" that will do no  

good,

so

it is  once again a choice of the lesser of two evils a vote AGAINST a

candidate  rather than FOR one.

And where do we stand  financially? According to B. Hussein I am  

wealthy,

and

according to  his opponent I shall never achieve that status. If it  

were

only

a  field of four in which one could choose to vote for POTUS by   

giving

him/her

the highest number of votes and for V-POTUS by  giving him/her the  

second

highest  number of votes. I would  predict a Palin victory for the  

highest

office

of the  land  and who knows perhaps Command McManchuria might come  

in as

V-POTUS.

I am, today, really glad to be retired from my first  primary  

occupation as

I

am not certain that I could respond in the  affirmative to the  

question as

to

whether or not I would "take a  bullet" for any of them. I was a  

simple

question  when Ronald  Reagan was alive and well serving as POTUS but

self-interest

most  probably would have prevailed (except during the period   

immediately

following  9/11).

Dr.  Steve

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Re: Latest Government Actions (NFC) [Ferrari Digest, Vol 26, Issue ...	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Robert W. Garven Jr. (rgarvengmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:21:50 -0700 (PDT)