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I have to admit to some confusion. It seems difficult for me to understand  
how words posted to an Internet site can "bully" anyone. It's not like standing 
 at the entry to the schoolyard and threatening you with physical harm if you 
 don't give me your lunch money. I guess I believe that spoken and written 
words  are free expression and can only harm those who choose to be so harmed 
by 
 internalizing them and responding in a manner consistent with that  
internalization. It appears to me that everyone here is free in their right to  
expression and consistently exercises their right to do so (including 
yourself),  so 
please feel free to say anything you wish, if truthful about me, and  
regardless of veracity, in response to something that I have written or said  
(just 
be sure that any quotations are accurate and not out of contrast).

I remain neither the bully or the victim,

Dr. Steve

In a message dated 9/20/2008 10:50:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
themightytoe [at] gmail.com writes:

Ahh the  season of Flist politics is upon us...  Being someone who typically 
votes  against a candidate rather than for one, man I miss the days of guns 
and  watches and home theater equipment discussions...

I have been reading a  lot of this clap trap and diatribe of:  If you like 
enemas and eating  babies so and so is your man...  with a definite undertone 
of 
"you suck  for thinking that way" behind it all.

Seriously that isn't so much a  dialog as an attempt at bullying your beliefs 
onto everyone else.  If you  are going to talk about what is important to 
you, talk about what is important  to you and if you really want to put it out 
there say why...  Personally  two things in life are inevitable:  Death and 
taxes...

I can frame  what I want:
1.  To always have good opportunities for employment and  places to live
2.  To know my family is happy (most of the time), safe  and healthy and will 
be for their entire lives
3.  To keep all the  money I earn and to be able to spend it on what I want 
and where I  want.
4.  To know that my children, if they work for it, will have as  good or 
better lives than I did
5.  To be free to travel, explore,  speak, read, learn, pray and be social 
how ever I want.
6.  To know my  neighbors share my values.
7.  To know that the things I truly need in  life (food, shelter, health 
care) will always be affordable 
8.  To  know my friends and their friends and their friends have all the 
above  items...

Which parts of the list above do I think are a social  responsibility that 
people recognize eg everyone sees that those goals are  something we all should 
strive for?  VS something the government needs to  enforce and mandate since 
the people are too ignorant, greedy, or unorganized  to do it?  

My view:
People:  #1, #2, #3, #4,  #6
Govmint:  #5, #7, #8

So that isn't too bad... Now as for  candidates:  They all are pretty much 
the same.  Economics should  drive most important decisions and having good 
advisors, qualified people, and  a bit of good luck as with any endeavour, is 
the 
real key...  I would not  hire an electrical engineer to build a bridge and I 
would not hire a lawyer to  remove my appendix...  I would hire the best civil 
engineer and doctor I  could afford...  This is no different...  Find out who 
has the best  team, or can put together the best team and go with them.  So 
can Obama  and Biden build a better team than McCain and Palin?  They pull from 
the  same pools of people pretty much so which pair will listen to their 
advice and  which pair is smarter?  I don't know the answer to that, but I 
don't  
think Palin adds a lot of capability into the mix...  Kinda like hiring  your 
secretary to be your new CEO...  Sure she may have sat in on a few  meetings 
but she is seriously unqualified to balance the books every  quarter...

Its all moot since we have an electoral college anyhow and  those snow blind 
Inuits from Alaska's votes count for like 3000 of us lower 48  stater's 
voters...

Ah now to go eat some babies and vote for higher  taxes....  

BR,
Mike

_BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com_ (mailto:BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com)  wrote:  
Tom:

Maybe so, but I think you have to look at the past several years, at least  

since 9/11 to judge someone for the highest office in the land.

If you believe in the Second Amendment, personal responsibility, and the  

ability to retain wealth that is earned, then Barry Hussein is not your man. 
If  

you are a liberal thinker who believes that those of us who have earned our  

(sometimes meager) wealth are obligated to use it in furtherance of avarice 
and 

 indolence, affirmative action that distorts the quality of our employment 

and  educational institutions through reverse discrimination, and that your 

personal  property rights should be subordinated to social engineering, then 
of 

course  Barry Hussein is the right choice.

Its not a matter of good and evil, simply a matter of personal values (and  

of course the Constitution). If you agree with what B.H.O. has done with his  

adult life and think that you want America to follow that course vote for him 

for those reasons, not cute sayings of speech writers that he can memorize 
and 

 regurgitate.

Just hire the man who actually stands for one's personal belief structure,  

not the pretty face or TV anchorman presentation when recruiting for what may 

be  the most important job in the entire world and is certainly the most 

important  in the United States.

If Barry Hussein Obame is your man, go for it. If not, look elsewhere for  

national leadership.

And either way, hopefully we'll still be friends.

Dr. Steve

In a message dated 9/19/2008 9:24:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  

_kjtar [at] cox.net_ (mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net)  writes:

All I  know is that Barack is smart, has good people around him, and can

speak in  public without embarrasing himself (if he were sensitive enough  to

recognize any slight errors). Also I saw a great quote, which I'll  repeat

here:

Capitalism's criminal excesses saved by socialist  governmental policies. (Or

something like that, it was in the Tulsa World  today, from a Nader speech as

OSU Tulsa campus).

Tom Reynolds

Tulsa,  OK

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To: "Tom Reynolds" _<kjtar [at] cox.net>_ (mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net) 

Cc:  "The FerrariList" _<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>_ 
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Sent: Thursday, September  18, 2008 1:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Latest Government Actions (NFC)  [Ferrari Digest,Vol

26, Issue 27]

Larry:

If  there were only to be a solution. Do we vote for Barry Hussein Obama,

 whose depth of experience is only exceeded by my son who is a  college

senior and

might even graduate eventually, or the  McManchurian candidate, a good

sailor

who  stood up as best he  could for as long as he could to the Hanoi Hilton

and

who is   to be respected for that, but that experience is just  not

applicable

to  the job he is seeking, particularly after  leaving his first wife who

stood by a  Navy POW Aviator during  his confinement in the PRVN, but was

then

enticed by the   riches of his second wife, who performs the same duties

for him as

 Ms.  Heinz-Kerry does for her former sailr?

Votes for any  other third party are "throw-a-ways" that will do no good,

so

it is  once again a choice of the lesser of two evils a vote AGAINST a

 candidate  rather than FOR one.

And where do we stand  financially? According to B. Hussein I am wealthy,

and

according to  his opponent I shall never achieve that status. If it were

only

a  field of four in which one could choose to vote for POTUS by  giving

him/her

 the highest number of votes and for V-POTUS by  giving him/her the second

highest  number of votes. I would  predict a Palin victory for the highest

office

of the  land  and who knows perhaps Command McManchuria might come in as

 V-POTUS.

I am, today, really glad to be retired from my first  primary occupation as

I

am not certain that I could respond in the  affirmative to the question as

to

whether or not I would "take a  bullet" for any of them. I was a simple

question  when Ronald  Reagan was alive and well serving as POTUS but

self-interest

 most  probably would have prevailed (except during the period  immediately

following  9/11).

Dr.  Steve

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Re: Latest Government Actions (NFC) [Ferrari Digest, Vol 26, Issue ...	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: BRIGANDBAR (BRIGANDBARaol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT)