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[Tom Reynolds (kjtar]

It's oil and blood.  Bush is an oil man, and Sadam threatened his dad's
life, so what did anyone expect his son, the Prez, to do?  I can just hear
it now, "Fix up a way for us to go in there and kick his ass out of the
country and get us in there."  And then Cheney chimes in with, "Hey, I think
I can get Haliburton to help out..."
Follow the money.  Always. People with it don't want to lose it, people
without it want it.  I know.  I've mostly not had it, had it for a while,
and now don't have it again.  My life is simpler now, but do I wish I had it
back again?  Sure.  But, hindsight is always 20/20.  Well, in my case, maybe
20/200.
:)
Tom in Tulsa


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert W. Garven Jr." <rgarven [at] gmail.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Latest Government Actions (NFC) [Ferrari Digest,Vol
26, Issue ...


> well after bush just loaned 500 billion of our money (borrowed from
> china) to rich guys I feel like a victom..........
>
> Robert W. Garven Jr.
> rgarven [at] gmail.com
>
>
>   "The Ferrari is a dream - people dream of owning this special
> vehicle and for most people it will remain a dream apart from for
> those lucky few". Enzo Ferrari
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2008, at 10:50 AM, BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com wrote:
>
> > I have to admit to some confusion. It seems difficult for me to
> > understand
> > how words posted to an Internet site can "bully" anyone. It's not
> > like standing
> > at the entry to the schoolyard and threatening you with physical
> > harm if you
> > don't give me your lunch money. I guess I believe that spoken and
> > written
> > words  are free expression and can only harm those who choose to be
> > so harmed by
> > internalizing them and responding in a manner consistent with that
> > internalization. It appears to me that everyone here is free in
> > their right to
> > expression and consistently exercises their right to do so
> > (including yourself),  so
> > please feel free to say anything you wish, if truthful about me, and
> > regardless of veracity, in response to something that I have written
> > or said  (just
> > be sure that any quotations are accurate and not out of contrast).
> >
> > I remain neither the bully or the victim,
> >
> > Dr. Steve
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 10:50:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > themightytoe [at] gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Ahh the  season of Flist politics is upon us...  Being someone who
> > typically
> > votes  against a candidate rather than for one, man I miss the days
> > of guns
> > and  watches and home theater equipment discussions...
> >
> > I have been reading a  lot of this clap trap and diatribe of:  If
> > you like
> > enemas and eating  babies so and so is your man...  with a definite
> > undertone of
> > "you suck  for thinking that way" behind it all.
> >
> > Seriously that isn't so much a  dialog as an attempt at bullying
> > your beliefs
> > onto everyone else.  If you  are going to talk about what is
> > important to
> > you, talk about what is important  to you and if you really want to
> > put it out
> > there say why...  Personally  two things in life are inevitable:
> > Death and
> > taxes...
> >
> > I can frame  what I want:
> > 1.  To always have good opportunities for employment and  places to
> > live
> > 2.  To know my family is happy (most of the time), safe  and healthy
> > and will
> > be for their entire lives
> > 3.  To keep all the  money I earn and to be able to spend it on what
> > I want
> > and where I  want.
> > 4.  To know that my children, if they work for it, will have as
> > good or
> > better lives than I did
> > 5.  To be free to travel, explore,  speak, read, learn, pray and be
> > social
> > how ever I want.
> > 6.  To know my  neighbors share my values.
> > 7.  To know that the things I truly need in  life (food, shelter,
> > health
> > care) will always be affordable
> > 8.  To  know my friends and their friends and their friends have all
> > the
> > above  items...
> >
> > Which parts of the list above do I think are a social
> > responsibility that
> > people recognize eg everyone sees that those goals are  something we
> > all should
> > strive for?  VS something the government needs to  enforce and
> > mandate since
> > the people are too ignorant, greedy, or unorganized  to do it?
> >
> > My view:
> > People:  #1, #2, #3, #4,  #6
> > Govmint:  #5, #7, #8
> >
> > So that isn't too bad... Now as for  candidates:  They all are
> > pretty much
> > the same.  Economics should  drive most important decisions and
> > having good
> > advisors, qualified people, and  a bit of good luck as with any
> > endeavour, is the
> > real key...  I would not  hire an electrical engineer to build a
> > bridge and I
> > would not hire a lawyer to  remove my appendix...  I would hire the
> > best civil
> > engineer and doctor I  could afford...  This is no different...
> > Find out who
> > has the best  team, or can put together the best team and go with
> > them.  So
> > can Obama  and Biden build a better team than McCain and Palin?
> > They pull from
> > the  same pools of people pretty much so which pair will listen to
> > their
> > advice and  which pair is smarter?  I don't know the answer to that,
> > but I don't
> > think Palin adds a lot of capability into the mix...  Kinda like
> > hiring  your
> > secretary to be your new CEO...  Sure she may have sat in on a few
> > meetings
> > but she is seriously unqualified to balance the books every
> > quarter...
> >
> > Its all moot since we have an electoral college anyhow and  those
> > snow blind
> > Inuits from Alaska's votes count for like 3000 of us lower 48
> > stater's
> > voters...
> >
> > Ah now to go eat some babies and vote for higher  taxes....
> >
> > BR,
> > Mike
> >
> > _BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com_ (mailto:BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com)  wrote:
> > Tom:
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe so, but I think you have to look at the past several years, at
> > least
> >
> > since 9/11 to judge someone for the highest office in the land.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you believe in the Second Amendment, personal responsibility, and
> > the
> >
> > ability to retain wealth that is earned, then Barry Hussein is not
> > your man.
> > If
> >
> > you are a liberal thinker who believes that those of us who have
> > earned our
> >
> > (sometimes meager) wealth are obligated to use it in furtherance of
> > avarice
> > and
> >
> > indolence, affirmative action that distorts the quality of our
> > employment
> >
> > and  educational institutions through reverse discrimination, and
> > that your
> >
> > personal  property rights should be subordinated to social
> > engineering, then
> > of
> >
> > course  Barry Hussein is the right choice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Its not a matter of good and evil, simply a matter of personal
> > values (and
> >
> > of course the Constitution). If you agree with what B.H.O. has done
> > with his
> >
> > adult life and think that you want America to follow that course
> > vote for him
> >
> >
> > for those reasons, not cute sayings of speech writers that he can
> > memorize
> > and
> >
> > regurgitate.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just hire the man who actually stands for one's personal belief
> > structure,
> >
> > not the pretty face or TV anchorman presentation when recruiting for
> > what may
> >
> > be  the most important job in the entire world and is certainly the
> > most
> >
> > important  in the United States.
> >
> >
> >
> > If Barry Hussein Obame is your man, go for it. If not, look
> > elsewhere for
> >
> > national leadership.
> >
> >
> >
> > And either way, hopefully we'll still be friends.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr. Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/19/2008 9:24:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >
> > _kjtar [at] cox.net_ (mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net)  writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > All I  know is that Barack is smart, has good people around him, and
> > can
> >
> > speak in  public without embarrasing himself (if he were sensitive
> > enough  to
> >
> > recognize any slight errors). Also I saw a great quote, which I'll
> > repeat
> >
> > here:
> >
> > Capitalism's criminal excesses saved by socialist  governmental
> > policies. (Or
> >
> > something like that, it was in the Tulsa World  today, from a Nader
> > speech as
> >
> > OSU Tulsa campus).
> >
> > Tom Reynolds
> >
> > Tulsa,  OK
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From:  _<BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>_ (mailto:BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com)
> >
> > To: "Tom Reynolds" _<kjtar [at] cox.net>_ (mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net)
> >
> > Cc:  "The FerrariList" _<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>_
> > (mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com)
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, September  18, 2008 1:33 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Latest Government Actions (NFC)  [Ferrari
> > Digest,Vol
> >
> > 26, Issue 27]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry:
> >
> >
> >
> > If  there were only to be a solution. Do we vote for Barry Hussein
> > Obama,
> >
> > whose depth of experience is only exceeded by my son who is a  college
> >
> >
> >
> > senior and
> >
> >
> >
> > might even graduate eventually, or the  McManchurian candidate, a good
> >
> >
> >
> > sailor
> >
> >
> >
> > who  stood up as best he  could for as long as he could to the Hanoi
> > Hilton
> >
> >
> >
> > and
> >
> >
> >
> > who is   to be respected for that, but that experience is just  not
> >
> >
> >
> > applicable
> >
> >
> >
> > to  the job he is seeking, particularly after  leaving his first
> > wife who
> >
> > stood by a  Navy POW Aviator during  his confinement in the PRVN,
> > but was
> >
> >
> >
> > then
> >
> >
> >
> > enticed by the   riches of his second wife, who performs the same
> > duties
> >
> >
> >
> > for him as
> >
> >
> >
> > Ms.  Heinz-Kerry does for her former sailr?
> >
> >
> >
> > Votes for any  other third party are "throw-a-ways" that will do no
> > good,
> >
> >
> >
> > so
> >
> >
> >
> > it is  once again a choice of the lesser of two evils a vote AGAINST a
> >
> > candidate  rather than FOR one.
> >
> >
> >
> > And where do we stand  financially? According to B. Hussein I am
> > wealthy,
> >
> >
> >
> > and
> >
> >
> >
> > according to  his opponent I shall never achieve that status. If it
> > were
> >
> >
> >
> > only
> >
> >
> >
> > a  field of four in which one could choose to vote for POTUS by
> > giving
> >
> >
> >
> > him/her
> >
> >
> >
> > the highest number of votes and for V-POTUS by  giving him/her the
> > second
> >
> > highest  number of votes. I would  predict a Palin victory for the
> > highest
> >
> >
> >
> > office
> >
> >
> >
> > of the  land  and who knows perhaps Command McManchuria might come
> > in as
> >
> > V-POTUS.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am, today, really glad to be retired from my first  primary
> > occupation as
> >
> >
> >
> > I
> >
> >
> >
> > am not certain that I could respond in the  affirmative to the
> > question as
> >
> >
> >
> > to
> >
> >
> >
> > whether or not I would "take a  bullet" for any of them. I was a
> > simple
> >
> > question  when Ronald  Reagan was alive and well serving as POTUS but
> >
> >
> >
> > self-interest
> >
> >
> >
> > most  probably would have prevailed (except during the period
> > immediately
> >
> > following  9/11).
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr.  Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/18/2008 5:16:30 A.M.  Central Daylight Time,
> >
> > _ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com_
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> > )
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> >
> >
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