Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?

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I am contacting Obama and telling him to force SteveJ to give me one  

of his Ferraris --- as it is clearly unfair, unjust and plain un- 

American that he has four Ferraris and I have none.  Let the  

redistribution begin!!!!

Scottie

On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:12 PM, JAshburne [at] aol.com wrote:

Growing prosperity is. a good thing.

Having incentives so that people can become prosperous is a good  

thing.

Risk takers, providers of capital and employers should have risks  

(being removed with bailouts now) and rewatds

T Boone has lost hundreds of millions with his new alternative fund  

but he isn't crying for relief.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:32:55
To: <jashburne [at] aol.com>
Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?

I won't deny that there's a growing animosity brewing between the  

'haves' and the 'have-nots' in this country, but its hard for me to  

sympathize with a socio-economic class of people who:

- are growing in numbers, both in the number of newly-minted  

Millionaires and Billionaires

- are growing in amounts/share of global wealth they personally hold
- aren't complaining or asking for relief from this situation

These are facts regardless of political persuasion.

For me, its a waste of bandwidth to 'come to the aid' of folks who  

don't seem to want or need defending.  Every time I read of T.Boon  

Picken's exploits, he's made another $100 Million, he certainly  

isn't looking for a shoulder to cry on (Kerkorian might, but its his  

own fault and he knows it).  They're doing well, they continue to do  

well, and they'll do well in the future.  The pages of DuPont  

Registry aren't getting any thinner, Ferraris in US markets still  

have multi-year wait lists, and the one segment of the Housing  

market that is still VERY robust and healthy is the upper-end.   

Plenty of money there, and its being enjoyed and spent by the people  

who earned it.  Let's all put-away our kleenex and pitch-forks.

The US tax structure has a ways to go before it approaches taxation  

levels of Europe, Canada or most other countries of the world.   

Where ya gonna go that offers more financial opportunity?  Perhaps  

an Arab country that has socialized its natural resources to support  

its citizens?  You'll be leaving many of your Liberties/Freedoms you  

enjoy now at the door...your politics and your religion might not be  

welcome in your new country-of-residence, either.  But if all of  

that means absolutely nothing to you in an effort to preserve 0.6%  

of your income, by all means.  Freedom isn't 'Free', expecially when  

'We The People' are spending $10 Billion per month to establish it  

in Iraq.  Feel free to lecture all the soldiers, sailors, Airmen and  

Marines out there about how painful the Gas Guzzler tax is on the  

purchase of your Ferrari.....

And now I'm done ranting.

M

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?
To: cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:29 AM

Hey Michael -  Hope you're having a good week -

You're right - it doesn't have anything to do with the way
Ferrari's are designed - and I won't say anymore about it whether you
respond to this or not. -

well, if you don't care - you obviously have enough money to not  

have to

worry about it. -  *will* it bother you at some point?  Because you  

may see

these kinds of fees rise in the next few years -
BTW, it could be turned into a yearly fee with the stroke of a pen -

May as well send me $10000 or $20000 - I deserve it as much as the  

govt.

.
Well- at least you got a good laugh from my posts  ;-)

Take care -
Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael James"
<cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?

When you're ready to compare the GAINS attained by that top 5% in  

the past

several years in relation to their tax burden, you would note that  

the top 5%

still increased their profits/wealth overall - they have not lost  

money because

of Uncle Sam. Nor will they lose money with a 0.6% increase - gains  

made by that

top 5% far surpass their US tax burden, as many in this tax bracket  

have taken

their business ventures global. Ask Kirk Kerkorian or Warren Buffet if
they're worried about the IRS....these folks make/lose huge sums money
through other activities completely unrelated to their tax bill.

Are you suggesting we suspend Democracy in order to protect the top 5%

financial earners? Certainly 'the Rich' are capable of making their  

case

to politicians and the voting electorate regarding their plight in  

today's

economic situation. Those folks are smarter than your and I on so  

many levels

when it comes to finances, many of them voted in-support of the  

upcoming

administration. I'm sure they had their reasons - reasons you may  

not be

privy to.

BTW, what does any of this have anything to do with Ferrari  

designing by

Windtunnel instead of imagination??? Just curious....

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, jashburne [at] aol.com <jashburne [at] aol.com> wrote:

From: jashburne [at] aol.com <jashburne [at] aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:35 AM

This is the problem with a "soak the rich" philosophy.  Already we

have accepted a very progressive tax structure in which the top 5  

percent of

earners pay half or more of total tax revenues and the bottom 45 pct  

pay no

income taxes at all.

When the president elect says that increasing the top tax rate from  

36 pct to

39.6 pct is only "chump change" to a million dollar earner when it is

really a tax increase of $36,000 a year, this country is in big  

trouble.

This is dangerous because politicians don't care about losing 5 pct  

of the

vote when they can promise tax cuts or checks to the other 95 pct.

There is a limit to how far the government can force fewer and fewer  

people to

carry more and more of the tax burden and we may be approaching it.   

If we are

careful the most productive sectors will leave and this economy will  

spiral

downward.

Rant off

John
------Original Message------
From: Matt Boyd
Sender:
To: jashburne [at] aol.com
Cc: The FerrariList
Sent: Nov 12, 2008 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?

Right!  They're rich enough, so we should just extract the $$ from
them.  If they can afford a gold stripe, they certainly should pay
some money to the government!

:-?

-matt
'85 euro 308....with no gas guzzler fine...

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Michael James
<cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

LOL, you're funny Larry.

NEVER have I heard someone wanting to buy a new Ferrari walk into a

dealership and go:  "Damn, I could 'just' afford a new 430, but I

can't afford the car with that Gas Guzzler tax added on!  My dreams  

are

over, I'm going to have to go buy a Buick now.....Damn those  

Washington

Socialists, boo-hoo.....sniff..."

Please - buyers are spending several thousand$$$ extra to have  

those gold

stripes painted on their Scuderia's hood to match the color of the  

rims and

have the seat-stitching threads contrast the seat leather.  Do you  

think any of

these 'extras' make the car go faster?  These folks don't care
about

the money, good for them.  Care to guess that the California won't  

sell

well, even in this economy?
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From: Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net (Ferrarisimocomcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:07:11 -0800 (PST)