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OK

I agree the system probably does need reform.  The point I can not agree 

with here is that these people are all freeloaders... Or that if they 

get help they suddenly would become freeloaders...

Brian E. Buxton wrote:

There should be help for them, but if the Gov't got all of the 

freeloaders off the "payrolls" there wouldn't need to be a tax 

increase to help those who truly need help.  There would be a surplus 

based on what is already taken from our taxes!  And I think welfare or 

any other such type assistance should be incrementally phased out.  

One year is plenty of time to find a job or get back on your feet.  So 

in Jan you get $2,000, Feb you get $1,834, March you get $1,668, and 

so on.  And during this time you have 2 months to find a job and you 

must stay employed in order to receive benefits.  And you must be 

subject to random drug tests.  Longer programs can be implemented for 

those who truly need more help, but this plan would take care of 90% 

of those who are down on their luck.

Brian

Mike Fleischer wrote:

I agree with Ric on that point also, but the piece he is missing:

The teenage mom struggling to raise her kid when their dad left them?

The father who lost his job at the local plant, mostly due to poor 

management by his company, and finds the only job available to him is 

to serve burgers at local McDonalds as his skills are no longer 

useable or marketable and his saving will only last him a year?

The pensioner, who's lifes savings were stolen away by some shady 

doctors or Enron executives?

What is your answer for them?  Fuck you, your screwed?

Brian E. Buxton wrote:

I would have to agree with Ric here.  Having "compassion" for 

someone who is living a life based on the consequences of their own 

decisions allows that person to not be required to take 

responsibility for their decisions.  If they are poor or can't pay 

their own bills then someone else will!

B

Ric Rainbolt wrote:

At 05:50 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:

I fully agree our system is not fair and it really is a form of 

charity

to a large extent, no question.  It seems the arguments here are 

based

on just the numbers, but what is missing here is any compassion 

for your

fellow man.  Sure I work hard to provide for my family and I worry 

about

their financial security and future but I also recognize that I 

live in

a society with other people and reading this I recall an old adage my
parents used to tell me: "the world needs ditch diggers too"...

And therein is the basis of the problem. This is a worldwide 

epidemic of misconception, IMHO.

Compassion for my fellow man is NOT to support someone who doesn't 

bother to get an education, or bother to not drink beer that costs 

more than his gross wages. Is it MY fault that he's a ditch digger? 

Perhaps I spent years honing my profitable technical skills while 

he skipped school and drank his way into his situation? Now I'm 

literally robbed to pay for his misdeeds or lack of proactive 

foresight.

It should for ME to decide when to allow the gift of charity to 

emanate from MY compassion. I do NOT want to have money taken BY 

FORCE by large bureaucracy and given willy-nilly to whoever makes 

up the best boo-hoo sob story. I've lived around and worked with 

MANY fully able-bodied individuals that were taking money from the 

system via systematic fraud (workmans comp, Medicare, etc.). Then 

there's the whole part about federal funding for all kinds of crap 

that I would NEVER EVER support if given a choice in the matter. I 

give many thousands to charities each year... ones of MY choosing.

There is NO charity in someone taking my money to give to someone 

else (and in many cases, keep some for themselves for being so 

righteous). That's playing shift-the-burden-of-my-guilt complex. 

Far too common.

RR
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Re: Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? )	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Mike Fleischer (themightytoegmail.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:03:02 -0800 (PST)