Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Fw: Require Driving School? Yes or No?

[Red5hilser (Red5hilser]

Hey, they've gotten their 20 pieces of Silver. What business it of theirs'  
how fast we drive?  --  Bubba
 
 
In a message dated 2/12/2009 4:46:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
edwf430 [at] att.net writes:




There are three computers that record mileage. One in the  cluster itself,
one in the trans and the engine ECU. The 599 and the Enzo  do record your top
speed.


> ----- Original Message -----  
> From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> To: "Daniel"  <edwf430 [at] att.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari]  Require Driving School? Yes or No?
>
>
>>I have heard  that the Enzo (and perhaps all of the newest wave of F-cars) 
>>have  black-box recorders to tell on us.  Is that true?  And for what is  
>>the data used?
>>
>>  rick
>>
>> --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Red5hilser [at] aol.com  <Red5hilser [at] aol.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From:  Red5hilser [at] aol.com <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re:  [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?
>>> To: "rolindsay"  <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>>> Cc:  ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>>> Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009,  4:20 PM
>>> Hey Gang: Let's get serious here. Do you think that  any
>>> car company would
>>> forgo the sale, and  hefty profit from a high-performance
>>> vehicle  merely  because
>>> the buyer hadn't attended a driving school? LMFAO!  What
>>> they  care about is
>>> the bottom line.  Period.
>>>
>>> As long as the buyer signs on the  doted line, that should
>>> release the   seller
>>> of all performance related  mishaps.
>>>
>>> Since I've been buying weapons, and  I've purchased
>>> scores in the  60-odd
>>>  years that I've been shooting, not once have I been
>>> asked to  show proof  that I
>>> ever attended a firearms school of any  kind. They just
>>> don't   care.
>>>
>>> And we won't even get into purchasing  that 512 BB from
>>> a private party.
>>> That's just  another can of worms.
>>>
>>> Case closed? Yer pal,  Ferrari Bubba
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  In a message dated 2/12/2009 3:50:42 P.M. Central Standard
>>>  Time,
>>> fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com  writes:
>>>
>>> On Thu,  Feb 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM,  Steve Cook
>>> <stevec [at] cheatcodes.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>> > Here's a rhetorical question I  thought of after my
>>> first   _unintentional_
>>> > power oversteer in the   355.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>  >
>>> > Yesterday afternoon, midway through a  left  hand turn,
>>> I put on a bit too
>>> > much power  and the backend broke  loose. I caught it
>>> easily and  corrected
>>> > without a problem (even with a  grin on my  face). But
>>> that's because I've
>>> > gone  through numerous  Driving Schools, auto-crossed
>>> for many  years and
>>> > did a couple SCCA  open-wheel  races.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>  >
>>> > I thought, gee, I hope that  doesn't happen to  my
>>> wife if she's midway
>>> > through a corner,  she would  have lost it and spun.
>>> It doesn't take  much
>>> > to get the back end  loose without traction  control.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>  >
>>> > That's where  my question came from - what  about
>>> all the inexperienced
>>> > drivers   buying super/high-performance vehicles with
>>> little or  no
>>> > experience  driving them - (like pro-footballers  in
>>> the UK ;).  Cars are
>>> >   getting more and more powerful, and there's only
>>> so much a  computer  can
>>> > do to control your traction at   100+mph.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>  >
>>> > So now, the question: Should Ferrari  _REQUIRE_  new
>>> buyers to take high
>>> > performance  driving lessons before  selling them a
>>>  supercar?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>  >
>>> > I think yes, unless  the buyer can show  necessary
>>> skills, they should
>>> > require  buyers to  take performance driving lessons.
>>> Although  they would
>>> > legally need to  say it's not responsible  for
>>> giving them
>>> >   over-confidence...
>>> >
>>> >
>>>  >
>>> > Discuss...
>>> >
>>>  >  -steve
>>>
>>>
>>> Great  topic....surprised this hasn't come up   before.
>>>
>>> I think either a special upgraded  license could be sought,
>>> or  maybe some
>>>  kind of "test" given either by the manufacturer
>>> or some   sanctioned racing
>>> group. Somehow, someway there would need to  be evidence
>>> that the driver is
>>> "minimally  competent" at certain driving
>>>  exercises.
>>>
>>> I use the term "minimally  competent" because
>>> that's the term   licensing
>>> boards use to judge whether those who pass licensing  exams
>>> in  engineering
>>> (and I'm assuming  medicine, legal, as well etc.) are
>>> good  enough to a  degree
>>> to merit being a practitioner of that profession. So  if
>>> you pass the exam,
>>> you are minimally  competent, but by no means are you
>>> necessarily a  full
>>> fledged authority who can do no wrong.  ;)
>>>
>>> If you  made it too hard in either  case, you won't get
>>> any practitioners of
>>>  these  professions, and on the automotive side, no  exotics
>>> could be sold.
>>>
>>>  I've  always pushed for the US to have a driver's
>>>  licensing program as
>>> stringent  as that of Germany but it  just seems like that
>>> will never fly in
>>>  this  country because it would infringe on the freedoms  of
>>> so many, lol.  If
>>> anything, maybe a  "super license" could be
>>>  created.
>>>
>>> I could have  sworn I thought I  heard that Chevrolet was
>>> supposed to require
>>>  attendance  of a high performance driving school for  those
>>> who buy the new
>>> ZR1? If you  can't  require the skills outright, then at
>>> least attending  the
>>> class is  making some  progress.
>>>
>>> Make it required, and part of the  cost of the  car. There,
>>> problem solved  for
>>> now.  :)
>>>
>>>  FG
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