Ferrari Mailing List: Fw: Require Driving School? Yes or No?

There are three computers that record mileage. One in the cluster itself,
one in the trans and the engine ECU. The 599 and the Enzo do record your top
speed.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>

To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] att.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?

I have heard that the Enzo (and perhaps all of the newest wave of F-cars) 

have black-box recorders to tell on us.  Is that true?  And for what is 

the data used?

rick

--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Red5hilser [at] aol.com <Red5hilser [at] aol.com> wrote:

From: Red5hilser [at] aol.com <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?
To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:20 PM
Hey Gang: Let's get serious here. Do you think that any
car company would
forgo the sale, and hefty profit from a high-performance
vehicle  merely because
the buyer hadn't attended a driving school? LMFAO! What
they  care about is
the bottom line. Period.

As long as the buyer signs on the doted line, that should
release the  seller
of all performance related mishaps.

Since I've been buying weapons, and I've purchased
scores in the  60-odd
years that I've been shooting, not once have I been
asked to show proof  that I
ever attended a firearms school of any kind. They just
don't  care.

And we won't even get into purchasing that 512 BB from
a private party.
That's just another can of worms.

Case closed? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba

In a message dated 2/12/2009 3:50:42 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com writes:

On Thu,  Feb 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Steve Cook
<stevec [at] cheatcodes.com>  wrote:

> Here's a rhetorical question I thought of after my
first  _unintentional_
> power oversteer in the  355.
>
>
>
> Yesterday afternoon, midway through a  left hand turn,
I put on a bit too
> much power and the backend broke  loose. I caught it
easily and corrected
> without a problem (even with a  grin on my face). But
that's because I've
> gone through numerous  Driving Schools, auto-crossed
for many years and
> did a couple SCCA  open-wheel races.
>
>
>
> I thought, gee, I hope that  doesn't happen to my
wife if she's midway
> through a corner, she would  have lost it and spun.
It doesn't take much
> to get the back end  loose without traction control.
>
>
>
> That's where  my question came from - what about
all the inexperienced
> drivers  buying super/high-performance vehicles with
little or no
> experience  driving them - (like pro-footballers in
the UK ;).  Cars are
>  getting more and more powerful, and there's only
so much a computer  can
> do to control your traction at  100+mph.
>
>
>
> So now, the question: Should Ferrari  _REQUIRE_ new
buyers to take high
> performance driving lessons before  selling them a
supercar?
>
>
>
> I think yes, unless  the buyer can show necessary
skills, they should
> require buyers to  take performance driving lessons.
Although they would
> legally need to  say it's not responsible for
giving them
>  over-confidence...
>
>
>
> Discuss...
>
>  -steve

Great topic....surprised this hasn't come up  before.

I think either a special upgraded license could be sought,
or  maybe some
kind of "test" given either by the manufacturer
or some  sanctioned racing
group. Somehow, someway there would need to be evidence
that the driver is
"minimally competent" at certain driving
exercises.

I use the term "minimally competent" because
that's the term  licensing
boards use to judge whether those who pass licensing exams
in  engineering
(and I'm assuming medicine, legal, as well etc.) are
good  enough to a degree
to merit being a practitioner of that profession. So if
you pass the exam,
you are minimally competent, but by no means are you
necessarily a full
fledged authority who can do no wrong. ;)

If you  made it too hard in either case, you won't get
any practitioners of
these  professions, and on the automotive side, no exotics
could be sold.

I've  always pushed for the US to have a driver's
licensing program as
stringent  as that of Germany but it just seems like that
will never fly in
this  country because it would infringe on the freedoms of
so many, lol.  If
anything, maybe a "super license" could be
created.

I could have  sworn I thought I heard that Chevrolet was
supposed to require
attendance  of a high performance driving school for those
who buy the new
ZR1? If you  can't require the skills outright, then at
least attending the
class is  making some progress.

Make it required, and part of the cost of the  car. There,
problem solved for
now.  :)

FG
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From: Dan Warlick (edwf430att.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:44:06 -0800 (PST)