Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No?

[Rick Lindsay (rolindsay]

I have heard that the Enzo (and perhaps all of the newest wave of F-cars) have 
black-box recorders to tell on us.  Is that true?  And for what is the data 
used?

rick

--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Red5hilser [at] aol.com <Red5hilser [at] aol.com> wrote:

> From: Red5hilser [at] aol.com <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?
> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:20 PM
> Hey Gang: Let's get serious here. Do you think that any
> car company would  
> forgo the sale, and hefty profit from a high-performance
> vehicle  merely because 
> the buyer hadn't attended a driving school? LMFAO! What
> they  care about is 
> the bottom line. Period.
>  
> As long as the buyer signs on the doted line, that should
> release the  seller 
> of all performance related mishaps. 
>  
> Since I've been buying weapons, and I've purchased
> scores in the  60-odd 
> years that I've been shooting, not once have I been
> asked to show proof  that I 
> ever attended a firearms school of any kind. They just
> don't  care.
>  
> And we won't even get into purchasing that 512 BB from
> a private party.  
> That's just another can of worms.
>  
> Case closed? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 2/12/2009 3:50:42 P.M. Central Standard
> Time,  
> fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com writes:
> 
> On Thu,  Feb 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Steve Cook
> <stevec [at] cheatcodes.com>  wrote:
> 
> > Here's a rhetorical question I thought of after my
> first  _unintentional_
> > power oversteer in the  355.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yesterday afternoon, midway through a  left hand turn,
> I put on a bit too
> > much power and the backend broke  loose. I caught it
> easily and corrected
> > without a problem (even with a  grin on my face). But
> that's because I've
> > gone through numerous  Driving Schools, auto-crossed
> for many years and
> > did a couple SCCA  open-wheel races.
> >
> >
> >
> > I thought, gee, I hope that  doesn't happen to my
> wife if she's midway
> > through a corner, she would  have lost it and spun. 
> It doesn't take much
> > to get the back end  loose without traction control.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's where  my question came from - what about
> all the inexperienced
> > drivers  buying super/high-performance vehicles with
> little or no
> > experience  driving them - (like pro-footballers in
> the UK ;).  Cars are
> >  getting more and more powerful, and there's only
> so much a computer  can
> > do to control your traction at  100+mph.
> >
> >
> >
> > So now, the question: Should Ferrari  _REQUIRE_ new
> buyers to take high
> > performance driving lessons before  selling them a
> supercar?
> >
> >
> >
> > I think yes, unless  the buyer can show necessary
> skills, they should
> > require buyers to  take performance driving lessons.
> Although they would
> > legally need to  say it's not responsible for
> giving them
> >  over-confidence...
> >
> >
> >
> > Discuss...
> >
> >  -steve
> 
> 
> Great topic....surprised this hasn't come up  before.
> 
> I think either a special upgraded license could be sought,
> or  maybe some
> kind of "test" given either by the manufacturer
> or some  sanctioned racing
> group. Somehow, someway there would need to be evidence 
> that the driver is
> "minimally competent" at certain driving 
> exercises.
> 
> I use the term "minimally competent" because
> that's the term  licensing
> boards use to judge whether those who pass licensing exams
> in  engineering
> (and I'm assuming medicine, legal, as well etc.) are
> good  enough to a degree
> to merit being a practitioner of that profession. So if 
> you pass the exam,
> you are minimally competent, but by no means are you 
> necessarily a full
> fledged authority who can do no wrong. ;)
> 
> If you  made it too hard in either case, you won't get
> any practitioners of
> these  professions, and on the automotive side, no exotics
> could be sold.
> 
> I've  always pushed for the US to have a driver's
> licensing program as
> stringent  as that of Germany but it just seems like that
> will never fly in
> this  country because it would infringe on the freedoms of
> so many, lol.  If
> anything, maybe a "super license" could be
> created.
> 
> I could have  sworn I thought I heard that Chevrolet was
> supposed to require
> attendance  of a high performance driving school for those
> who buy the new
> ZR1? If you  can't require the skills outright, then at
> least attending the
> class is  making some progress.
> 
> Make it required, and part of the cost of the  car. There,
> problem solved for
> now.  :)
> 
> FG
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