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From: LarryT (l02turner comcast.net)
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| Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:34:33 -0800 (PST) | |
Hey Doug,Great description of real heel & toeing - BTW - somewhere around here I have a clip of Senna driving a Marlboro McLaren around Monaco for qualifying and there's a camera pointing at his feet (this was in the days before steering wheel shift paddles) as they danced on the 3 pedals while he spun the steering wheel and stirred the shift lever. Incredibly footage. I seem to remember someone saying they (the F1 pilotes) shifted upwards of 100 times a lap. Busy time. Hmmmm....
I really miss all that - will try to find that clip - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits & Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html .----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> Cc: "Ferrarilist" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?
On heel and towing - First NO car today actually has the set up of the earlyF1 cars where by one of the pedals is below each other. Older cars - 50 years ago? Yes. Not today - Most of what we do is double clutching, byrolling our foot onto the gas, especially on a down shift. Clutch in, 5 toN, clutch out. Roll throttle or blip, Clutch in, N to 4. All the while braking - sometimes.That said, at Riverside - preparing for turn 6, downshift 5th to 4th throughturn 5 while braking, (see above) Back on the gas hard up the hill throughfirst apex, do 4th to 3rd downshift, let out clutch,lift off gas - back end reverse torques and tail comes around - hard on gas through second apex downthe short chute to turn 7.One time, with an instructor in the car, I had the gear shift knob come offdoing the 4 to 3 shift. I handed the knob to the instructor and continued on my merry way. heh heh DOUG As for driving school? You bet. Ran our daughter through normal Porscheauto cross season. Can not tell you how many times my racing experience assaved my bacon on the highways and byways - mostly spinal cord reaction - none of this see think do crapola.----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net> Cc: "Ferrarilist" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?Oh Mike, cut it out and tell us what you really think. --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote:From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No? To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com> Cc: "Ferrarilist" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:31 AM OK I have been reading this thread for a bit and as an HPDE instructor, I will put it out there to my Ferrari list pals who I think are a great and entertaining group... Would I want to share track time with you guys on a road course? Hell no, I value my life too much. Bunch of back seat drivers if I ever saw them... I would be genuinely surprised to see more than 10% of this list be able to execute a heel and toe down shift consistently or to run a single lap in any car, let alone their prized Ferrari at 10/10ths. Seriously your a bunch of waxers when it comes to real driving, the PCA and BMW CCA guys would eat your lunches no question. No question the rides look and sound better, but don't fool yourselves into thinking the 370Z auto rev matching was not built specifically for you just like those F1 paddles in 80% of new Ferrari's. As for the ZR1, yeah its a monster of a car, and not for the inexperienced, but in the hands of a bad driver, a Jetta is dangerous. The problem is not the horsepower though, that's like saying the problem with guns is all the bullets... (hope this stays on topic after that)... I am a firm believer that in the US of A, driver training is abysmal, no one should learn anything more than the rules for dodge ball and the proper form of a sit up from their gym teacher... We Americans start out with terrible training and then spend the rest of our lives adding bad habits to that poor training. I know many adults who could not manage to parallel park to save their lives. Take the bad training and habits and throw in a total lack of regard for your fellow man and you have a bit of a dangerous situation. Before you point fingers at all those kids who are getting bad training... What did you do to improve the same bad training you received? I learned to drive in the UK and even that was not sufficient training in my opinion... I pro actively went out and attended many driving schools and car control clinics right after I got out of college. I think that driver training is changing, here in IL (state of corruption that it is) driver training is probably the most strict in the country, they just bumped new driver seat time requirements from 50 to 100 hours of logged driving with a licensed driver (parent) or instructor before a license is granted. Kids here need to keep a log book (like a pilot in training). I think that is a step in the right direction. Next step is mandatory in car testing for the first few years of driving, and retesting at regular intervals (like every 5 years). (Hey that would create jobs too...) No demonstration of safe skills, no license. Plain and simple. No matter how much training you give, there will still be someone who's skills are exceeded by their egos and our insurance rates will go up... I don't blame them anymore than I blame people in Texas for letting black mold grow in their duct works for raising my insurance rates... Rick go check your ducts man! :) Larry B wrote: > You mean if I hand my wife the keys to my Ferrari she might not come back alive? Hmmm. For as long as I've owned it she hasn't planted her rear in the driver's seat, but this gives me reason to rethink that position. > > Okay, just kidding. Probably. > > LarryDate: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:14:12 -0800From: cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com > . . . . Do we really toss the wife the keys to our Ferraris and hope they come back alive? > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/themightytoe%40gmail.com > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/rolindsay%40yahoo.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/_________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/dnt%40dock.net Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/_________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comcast.net Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlineshttp://www.F1Headlines.com/
- Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No?, (continued)
- Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No? E M, February 13 2009
- Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No? LarryT, February 14 2009
- Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No? Rick Lindsay, February 14 2009
- Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No? E M, February 14 2009
- Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No? LarryT, February 14 2009
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