Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon

Florida = SunPass

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From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>

To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] att.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon

And OK.  The Pike Pass.
Tom in Tulsa

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Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon

Yea, EasyPass is used by toll road commuters in Calif. too.  --   Bubba

In a message dated 2/18/2009 7:36:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com writes:

Since  your not from MA, Rich, I'll take it that you're not-exactly

familiar

with  EasyPass.  There are different EasyPass gizmos for different 

classes

of

machines - Big Rigs are charged different toll rates than regular
automobiles, so I would expect that under the proposed system that

Truckers  would pay a

higher per-mileage tax as well.

Most every new  vehicle equipped with OnStar or other Nav system already

has

a GPS  on-board - yet nobody knows, exactly, how/when that data is

accessed,

or by  whom.  If OnStar can determine when and where you've been in an
accident,  and attempt to communicate with you via the car's electronics,

then you

have everything "Big Brother" ever needs already - two-way comms and  the
transmission of in-car telemetry/position data. Best of all, OnStar  even

charges

YOU money to provide THEM with the data!  Clever  marketing has convinced

you

that a private company can spy on you, and call it  a 'service'!  That

data from

the car is also available to  'whomever'.....and I'm sure the Patriot Act

and

the Outgoing Justice Dept. has  already made such information available 

to

the Federal Govt. whenever they  want, without your consent.

M

--- On Tue, 2/17/09,  Rich <Rich355 [at] comcast.net> wrote:

From: Rich  <Rich355 [at] comcast.net>

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Car GPS monitoring  Chips & Mileage Tax 

coming

soon
To: "Michael"  <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList"  <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:33  PM

The purpose is to  get revenues to cover state highway  expenses right?

Well

what happens to all the vehicles that are "out of  state " licensed and

are

just passing through Oregon , but  buy gas  in the same state, but dont

have

the Big Brother chip  installed?  They usually pay the tax with  the 

built

in

state gas tax , but under  this system, they escape tax but still put 

wear

&

tear on the local  roads. Am i missing something ? Truckers cause the 

most

damage to the  roads due to their weight. They would buy lots of deisel

fuel

in the  state, but end up not paying any mileage tax. So the rest of the
state's  resideent  drivers would have to make up the difference

somehow.Am i

missing something?

Rich

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Mike Fleischer" <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>

To: "Rich"  <Rich355 [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList"  <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:10  PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax 

coming

soon

> Rich,
>
> I can see why the  program was a success in Oregon...
>
> They propose a charge of  1/4 a cent per mile traveled, and to use that
> instead of the gas  tax.  See this is not in addition, this is in

reaction

> to the  fact that people are buying less gas, and cars with better fuel
>  economy.  Here in IL we pay 19 cents per gallon state gas tax...
>  If my car gets 25 mpg (my GTI gets about this city), then I drive 25

miles

> on 1 gallon and pay 6.25 cents in tax on that gallon.  I save  12.75

cents

> per gallon.
>
> If my car gets 10 mpg (OK my  Vette gets that at WOT at Road America) I
> drive 10 miles on that  gallon and pay 2.5 cents in tax on that gallon.

I

> save 16.5  cents per gallon.
>
> If you live in Alaska, you can drive on that  bridge to nowhere, and if
> your car makes less than 32 mpg you still  get a tax break since they
> charge 8 cents a gallon in gas tax  there.  Lowest in the nation.
>
> Granted I am an engineer so  I am pretty handy with a calculator when I
> need to be...   :)

> Since I tend to drive a gas guzzling sports car and my wife has an 

> SUV,

I

> love this idea.  I hope the fed's do this also...   Its like an

incentive

> to drive something with terrible mileage (if  the base cost of gas

wasn't

> the overriding factor and sticking it to  the man was...).
>
> The other aspects I agree sound a bit  ignorant.  I don't see why they
> would need to use GPS chips to  measure this unless one of the state's
> officials is holding a large  number of shares in SiRF?  That is just
> crazy, and would get  very expensive.  What do you do for out of state

> driving?   Do those miles count in your state or the state you are in 

> or

> the  state where you bought the gas?  Its a bit of a mess...
> I can  think of many ways to accomplish the same thing better:
>
>  1.  Have mileage read at an inspection site every year, like when the
> vehicle is registered again.  This may be slightly inaccurate,  most

Euro

> cars read high on the speedo, and therefore show higher  mileage than
> actual (so the GPS would be cheaper).  American  cars are usually dead

on

> accurate, Japanese somewhere in  between.  I hear you can just drive

your

> Ferrari backwards when  you go home and it undoes all the mileage, 

> think

of

> the huge  savings!
>
> 2.  Put in a Smart pass reader at the gas  station that pulls mileage

data

> from the car.

> The GPS seems  intrusive but I can see where the devices can be 

> rendered

> simple  odometers rather than a way to track someone's location or 

> prior

>  locations.  A 3 axis accelerometer would work just as well, and GPS is
LOS
> so it can cut in and out.  I can see where the notion of  that might be
> scary to someone who did not understand the electronics  underneath, or

the

> content in modern electronics in general.   Rendering a GPS chip into a
> simple pedometer is just a matter of not  saving location data anywhere

and

> just keeping a running tally of the  distance traveled.  That data is
> already pretty much completely  available in the cell phone in your

pocket,

> and if you have a  portable or in car navigation system its likely that
> information can  be pulled out also, and removing the battery in you

cell

> phone will  not stop the coin cell in there from working...  So big

brother

>  is already tracking you, and listening to you when you think you are

all

> alone, and has been for quite a long time now so use headphones and

wear a

> tin foil hat...
>
> You seriously don't like the  idea of paying less taxes on gasoline

Rich?

> Based on the Greenie  Weenie comment I assume you are not part of the

Prius

> fan club, but  it is they who would end up paying more and subsidizing
> filling  potholes on our highways to a greater extent with this law.
>
>  BR,
> Mike
>
>
> Rich wrote:
>> to a liberal  Greenie Weenie city near you.
>>
>> Enjoy your  "change".
>>
>>
>>  Rich
>>   Massachusetts may consider a mileage  charge
>> By GLEN JOHNSON - 11 hours ago
>> BOSTON (AP) - A  tentative plan to overhaul Massachusetts'

transportation

>> system  by using GPS chips to charge motorists a quarter-cent for 

>> every

>>  mile behind the wheel has angered some drivers.
>>
>> "It's  outrageous, it's kind of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen.

>>  Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted legislation last week to 

>> prohibit

>> the practice. "You'd need a whole new department of cronies just  to

keep

>> track of it."
>>
>> But a "Vehicle  Miles Traveled" program like the one the governor may
>> unveil this  week has already been tested - with positive results - in
>>  Oregon.
>>
>>

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Re: Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Dan Warlick (edwf430att.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:30:28 -0800 (PST)