Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon

[Rick Lindsay (rolindsay]

Houston = EZTag - already used for monitoring average speeds on Houston's 
highways.


--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Dan Warlick <edwf430 [at] att.net> wrote:

> From: Dan Warlick <edwf430 [at] att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon
> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 8:30 AM
> Florida = SunPass
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] att.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Car GPS monitoring Chips &
> Mileage Tax coming soon
> 
> 
> > And OK.  The Pike Pass.
> > Tom in Tulsa
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>
> > To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> > Cc: <len_ashburn [at] hotmail.com>;
> <marlene.burk [at] wamu.net>;
> > <ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com>;
> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>; <Wgbean [at] aol.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Car GPS monitoring Chips &
> Mileage Tax coming soon
> >
> >
> >> Yea, EasyPass is used by toll road commuters in
> Calif. too.  --   Bubba
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/18/2009 7:36:42 A.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> >> cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com writes:
> >>
> >> Since  your not from MA, Rich, I'll take it
> that you're not-exactly
> > familiar
> >> with  EasyPass.  There are different EasyPass
> gizmos for different 
> >> classes
> > of
> >> machines - Big Rigs are charged different toll
> rates than regular
> >> automobiles, so I would expect that under the
> proposed system that
> > Truckers  would pay a
> >> higher per-mileage tax as well.
> >>
> >> Most every new  vehicle equipped with OnStar or
> other Nav system already
> > has
> >> a GPS  on-board - yet nobody knows, exactly,
> how/when that data is
> > accessed,
> >> or by  whom.  If OnStar can determine when and
> where you've been in an
> >> accident,  and attempt to communicate with you via
> the car's electronics,
> > then you
> >> have everything "Big Brother" ever needs
> already - two-way comms and  the
> >> transmission of in-car telemetry/position data.
> Best of all, OnStar  even
> > charges
> >> YOU money to provide THEM with the data!  Clever 
> marketing has convinced
> > you
> >> that a private company can spy on you, and call it
>  a 'service'!  That
> > data from
> >> the car is also available to 
> 'whomever'.....and I'm sure the Patriot Act
> > and
> >> the Outgoing Justice Dept. has  already made such
> information available 
> >> to
> >> the Federal Govt. whenever they  want, without
> your consent.
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 2/17/09,  Rich
> <Rich355 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Rich  <Rich355 [at] comcast.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Car GPS monitoring 
> Chips & Mileage Tax 
> >> coming
> >> soon
> >> To: "Michael" 
> <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "The FerrariList" 
> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:33  PM
> >>
> >>
> >> The purpose is to  get revenues to cover state
> highway  expenses right?
> > Well
> >> what happens to all the vehicles that are
> "out of  state " licensed and
> > are
> >> just passing through Oregon , but  buy gas  in the
> same state, but dont
> > have
> >> the Big Brother chip  installed?  They usually pay
> the tax with  the 
> >> built
> > in
> >> state gas tax , but under  this system, they
> escape tax but still put 
> >> wear
> > &
> >> tear on the local  roads. Am i missing something ?
> Truckers cause the 
> >> most
> >> damage to the  roads due to their weight. They
> would buy lots of deisel
> > fuel
> >> in the  state, but end up not paying any mileage
> tax. So the rest of the
> >> state's  resideent  drivers would have to make
> up the difference
> > somehow.Am i
> >>
> >> missing something?
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Mike Fleischer"
> <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
> >> To: "Rich"  <Rich355 [at] comcast.net>
> >> Cc: "The FerrariList" 
> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:10  PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Car GPS monitoring
> Chips & Mileage Tax 
> >> coming
> >> soon
> >>
> >>
> >> > Rich,
> >> >
> >> > I can see why the  program was a success in
> Oregon...
> >> >
> >> > They propose a charge of  1/4 a cent per mile
> traveled, and to use that
> >> > instead of the gas  tax.  See this is not in
> addition, this is in
> > reaction
> >> > to the  fact that people are buying less gas,
> and cars with better fuel
> >> >  economy.  Here in IL we pay 19 cents per
> gallon state gas tax...
> >> >  If my car gets 25 mpg (my GTI gets about
> this city), then I drive 25
> > miles
> >>
> >> > on 1 gallon and pay 6.25 cents in tax on that
> gallon.  I save  12.75
> > cents
> >> > per gallon.
> >> >
> >> > If my car gets 10 mpg (OK my  Vette gets that
> at WOT at Road America) I
> >> > drive 10 miles on that  gallon and pay 2.5
> cents in tax on that gallon.
> > I
> >> > save 16.5  cents per gallon.
> >> >
> >> > If you live in Alaska, you can drive on that 
> bridge to nowhere, and if
> >> > your car makes less than 32 mpg you still 
> get a tax break since they
> >> > charge 8 cents a gallon in gas tax  there. 
> Lowest in the nation.
> >> >
> >> > Granted I am an engineer so  I am pretty
> handy with a calculator when I
> >> > need to be...   :)
> >> > Since I tend to drive a gas guzzling sports
> car and my wife has an 
> >> > SUV,
> > I
> >> > love this idea.  I hope the fed's do this
> also...   Its like an
> > incentive
> >> > to drive something with terrible mileage (if 
> the base cost of gas
> > wasn't
> >> > the overriding factor and sticking it to  the
> man was...).
> >> >
> >> > The other aspects I agree sound a bit 
> ignorant.  I don't see why they
> >> > would need to use GPS chips to  measure this
> unless one of the state's
> >> > officials is holding a large  number of
> shares in SiRF?  That is just
> >> > crazy, and would get  very expensive.  What
> do you do for out of state
> >> > driving?   Do those miles count in your state
> or the state you are in 
> >> > or
> >> > the  state where you bought the gas?  Its a
> bit of a mess...
> >> > I can  think of many ways to accomplish the
> same thing better:
> >> >
> >> >  1.  Have mileage read at an inspection site
> every year, like when the
> >> > vehicle is registered again.  This may be
> slightly inaccurate,  most
> > Euro
> >> > cars read high on the speedo, and therefore
> show higher  mileage than
> >> > actual (so the GPS would be cheaper). 
> American  cars are usually dead
> > on
> >> > accurate, Japanese somewhere in  between.  I
> hear you can just drive
> > your
> >> > Ferrari backwards when  you go home and it
> undoes all the mileage, 
> >> > think
> > of
> >> > the huge  savings!
> >> >
> >> > 2.  Put in a Smart pass reader at the gas 
> station that pulls mileage
> > data
> >> > from the car.
> >> > The GPS seems  intrusive but I can see where
> the devices can be 
> >> > rendered
> >> > simple  odometers rather than a way to track
> someone's location or 
> >> > prior
> >> >  locations.  A 3 axis accelerometer would
> work just as well, and GPS is
> >> LOS
> >> > so it can cut in and out.  I can see where
> the notion of  that might be
> >> > scary to someone who did not understand the
> electronics  underneath, or
> > the
> >> > content in modern electronics in general.  
> Rendering a GPS chip into a
> >> > simple pedometer is just a matter of not 
> saving location data anywhere
> > and
> >> > just keeping a running tally of the  distance
> traveled.  That data is
> >> > already pretty much completely  available in
> the cell phone in your
> > pocket,
> >> > and if you have a  portable or in car
> navigation system its likely that
> >> > information can  be pulled out also, and
> removing the battery in you
> > cell
> >> > phone will  not stop the coin cell in there
> from working...  So big
> > brother
> >> >  is already tracking you, and listening to
> you when you think you are
> > all
> >> > alone, and has been for quite a long time now
> so use headphones and
> > wear a
> >> > tin foil hat...
> >> >
> >> > You seriously don't like the  idea of
> paying less taxes on gasoline
> > Rich?
> >> > Based on the Greenie  Weenie comment I assume
> you are not part of the
> > Prius
> >> > fan club, but  it is they who would end up
> paying more and subsidizing
> >> > filling  potholes on our highways to a
> greater extent with this law.
> >> >
> >> >  BR,
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Rich wrote:
> >> >> to a liberal  Greenie Weenie city near
> you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Enjoy your  "change".
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>  Rich
> >> >>   Massachusetts may consider a mileage 
> charge
> >> >> By GLEN JOHNSON - 11 hours ago
> >> >> BOSTON (AP) - A  tentative plan to
> overhaul Massachusetts'
> > transportation
> >> >> system  by using GPS chips to charge
> motorists a quarter-cent for 
> >> >> every
> >> >>  mile behind the wheel has angered some
> drivers.
> >> >>
> >> >> "It's  outrageous, it's kind
> of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen.
> >> >>  Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted
> legislation last week to 
> >> >> prohibit
> >> >> the practice. "You'd need a
> whole new department of cronies just  to
> > keep
> >> >> track of it."
> >> >>
> >> >> But a "Vehicle  Miles Traveled"
> program like the one the governor may
> >> >> unveil this  week has already been tested
> - with positive results - in
> >> >>  Oregon.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jSFVVWawIJRrWzFM1ICyVaVAy93wD96D9QHO0
> >> >> 
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