Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon

[Tom Reynolds (kjtar]

And OK.  The Pike Pass.
Tom in Tulsa

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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax coming soon


> Yea, EasyPass is used by toll road commuters in Calif. too.  --   Bubba
>
>
> In a message dated 2/18/2009 7:36:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com writes:
>
> Since  your not from MA, Rich, I'll take it that you're not-exactly
familiar
> with  EasyPass.  There are different EasyPass gizmos for different classes
of
> machines - Big Rigs are charged different toll rates than regular
> automobiles, so I would expect that under the proposed system that
Truckers  would pay a
> higher per-mileage tax as well.
>
> Most every new  vehicle equipped with OnStar or other Nav system already
has
> a GPS  on-board - yet nobody knows, exactly, how/when that data is
accessed,
> or by  whom.  If OnStar can determine when and where you've been in an
> accident,  and attempt to communicate with you via the car's electronics,
then you
> have everything "Big Brother" ever needs already - two-way comms and  the
> transmission of in-car telemetry/position data. Best of all, OnStar  even
charges
> YOU money to provide THEM with the data!  Clever  marketing has convinced
you
> that a private company can spy on you, and call it  a 'service'!  That
data from
> the car is also available to  'whomever'.....and I'm sure the Patriot Act
and
> the Outgoing Justice Dept. has  already made such information available to
> the Federal Govt. whenever they  want, without your consent.
>
> M
>
> --- On Tue, 2/17/09,  Rich <Rich355 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rich  <Rich355 [at] comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Car GPS monitoring  Chips & Mileage Tax coming
> soon
> To: "Michael"  <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList"  <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:33  PM
>
>
> The purpose is to  get revenues to cover state highway  expenses right?
Well
> what happens to all the vehicles that are "out of  state " licensed and
are
> just passing through Oregon , but  buy gas  in the same state, but dont
have
> the Big Brother chip  installed?  They usually pay the tax with  the built
in
> state gas tax , but under  this system, they escape tax but still put wear
&
> tear on the local  roads. Am i missing something ? Truckers cause the most
> damage to the  roads due to their weight. They would buy lots of deisel
fuel
> in the  state, but end up not paying any mileage tax. So the rest of the
> state's  resideent  drivers would have to make up the difference
somehow.Am i
>
> missing something?
>
>
> Rich
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Fleischer" <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
> To: "Rich"  <Rich355 [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList"  <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:10  PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Car GPS monitoring Chips & Mileage Tax  coming
> soon
>
>
> > Rich,
> >
> > I can see why the  program was a success in Oregon...
> >
> > They propose a charge of  1/4 a cent per mile traveled, and to use that
> > instead of the gas  tax.  See this is not in addition, this is in
reaction
> > to the  fact that people are buying less gas, and cars with better fuel
> >  economy.  Here in IL we pay 19 cents per gallon state gas tax...
> >  If my car gets 25 mpg (my GTI gets about this city), then I drive 25
miles
>
> > on 1 gallon and pay 6.25 cents in tax on that gallon.  I save  12.75
cents
> > per gallon.
> >
> > If my car gets 10 mpg (OK my  Vette gets that at WOT at Road America) I
> > drive 10 miles on that  gallon and pay 2.5 cents in tax on that gallon.
I
> > save 16.5  cents per gallon.
> >
> > If you live in Alaska, you can drive on that  bridge to nowhere, and if
> > your car makes less than 32 mpg you still  get a tax break since they
> > charge 8 cents a gallon in gas tax  there.  Lowest in the nation.
> >
> > Granted I am an engineer so  I am pretty handy with a calculator when I
> > need to be...   :)
> > Since I tend to drive a gas guzzling sports car and my wife has an  SUV,
I
> > love this idea.  I hope the fed's do this also...   Its like an
incentive
> > to drive something with terrible mileage (if  the base cost of gas
wasn't
> > the overriding factor and sticking it to  the man was...).
> >
> > The other aspects I agree sound a bit  ignorant.  I don't see why they
> > would need to use GPS chips to  measure this unless one of the state's
> > officials is holding a large  number of shares in SiRF?  That is just
> > crazy, and would get  very expensive.  What do you do for out of state
> > driving?   Do those miles count in your state or the state you are in or
> > the  state where you bought the gas?  Its a bit of a mess...
> > I can  think of many ways to accomplish the same thing better:
> >
> >  1.  Have mileage read at an inspection site every year, like when the
> > vehicle is registered again.  This may be slightly inaccurate,  most
Euro
> > cars read high on the speedo, and therefore show higher  mileage than
> > actual (so the GPS would be cheaper).  American  cars are usually dead
on
> > accurate, Japanese somewhere in  between.  I hear you can just drive
your
> > Ferrari backwards when  you go home and it undoes all the mileage, think
of
> > the huge  savings!
> >
> > 2.  Put in a Smart pass reader at the gas  station that pulls mileage
data
> > from the car.
> > The GPS seems  intrusive but I can see where the devices can be rendered
> > simple  odometers rather than a way to track someone's location or prior
> >  locations.  A 3 axis accelerometer would work just as well, and GPS is
> LOS
> > so it can cut in and out.  I can see where the notion of  that might be
> > scary to someone who did not understand the electronics  underneath, or
the
> > content in modern electronics in general.   Rendering a GPS chip into a
> > simple pedometer is just a matter of not  saving location data anywhere
and
> > just keeping a running tally of the  distance traveled.  That data is
> > already pretty much completely  available in the cell phone in your
pocket,
> > and if you have a  portable or in car navigation system its likely that
> > information can  be pulled out also, and removing the battery in you
cell
> > phone will  not stop the coin cell in there from working...  So big
brother
> >  is already tracking you, and listening to you when you think you are
all
> > alone, and has been for quite a long time now so use headphones and
wear a
> > tin foil hat...
> >
> > You seriously don't like the  idea of paying less taxes on gasoline
Rich?
> > Based on the Greenie  Weenie comment I assume you are not part of the
Prius
> > fan club, but  it is they who would end up paying more and subsidizing
> > filling  potholes on our highways to a greater extent with this law.
> >
> >  BR,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Rich wrote:
> >> to a liberal  Greenie Weenie city near you.
> >>
> >> Enjoy your  "change".
> >>
> >>
> >>  Rich
> >>   Massachusetts may consider a mileage  charge
> >> By GLEN JOHNSON - 11 hours ago
> >> BOSTON (AP) - A  tentative plan to overhaul Massachusetts'
transportation
> >> system  by using GPS chips to charge motorists a quarter-cent for every
> >>  mile behind the wheel has angered some drivers.
> >>
> >> "It's  outrageous, it's kind of Orwellian, Big Brotherish," said Sen.
> >>  Scott Brown, R-Wrentham, who drafted legislation last week to prohibit
> >> the practice. "You'd need a whole new department of cronies just  to
keep
> >> track of it."
> >>
> >> But a "Vehicle  Miles Traveled" program like the one the governor may
> >> unveil this  week has already been tested - with positive results - in
> >>  Oregon.
> >>
> >>
>
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