Ferrari Mailing List: NFC! Off topic , Aviation security ques??

[philville dejazzd.com (philville]

   Woud it be possible to create an air lock space between Operating
   cabin and pass cabin so that in order to reach the cock pit one must
   pass through this space wher one could presumably be disabled by some
   non lethal gas??

   Just curious, Phil
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
   Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:09 pm
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Clyde, Look who wants to take your Gun
   away
   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > OK
   >
   > Out of curiosity, and maybe one of our resident commercial
   > pilots can
   > answer this?
   >
   > What happens if you fire a weapon in a pressurized aircraft and
   > the
   > bullet gets through the aircraft's fuselage?  Are you going
   > to have a
   > whistling pinhole leak where air rushes out of the pressurized
   > can that
   > is the airplane, or is it like shooting a shaken up can of coke
   > with a
   > BB gun?  I suspect depending on altitude and how big a hole
   > you make,
   > you either get no issues or a catastrophic event but I'd not
   > want to
   > risk the latter...  I respect a pilot's judgment for flying
   > a plane but
   > to think they would potentially get into an OK Coral shootout in
   > the
   > cockpit to fight for control of an aircraft?  That is
   > really just
   > completely insane.  Certainly it would make for a crappy
   > summer
   > blockbuster (probably starring Nicolas Cage) but in reality, you
   > do
   > that, chances of ending up in a crater are pretty high.
   >
   > I guess if they carry guns, I would want them to be low caliber
   > and for
   > them to not be able to ever miss, which is not a realistic
   > expectation...  Maybe a Taser would be a better
   > solution?  Or maybe even
   > better still an air Marshall with a taser, and some box cutters,
   > nail
   > clippers and a pocket knife as a backup?  Clearly those
   > should be enough
   > to stop the bad guys.
   >
   > Having recently flown, I'd like to see a revision of our TSA
   > protocols
   > across the board.  Taking your shoes off?  Come
   > on.  These people
   > inspected my daughter's milk in her sippy cup (she was drinking
   > it in
   > front of them moments before), in the past wanted to take away
   > kids
   > toys, make you remove laptops from your bag?  Like the Xray
   > machine can
   > see them better then?  How about we hire some professionals
   > with some
   > damned common sense and training, and oh yes people skills?
   >
   > Some may say "Oh times are really different now" but they really
   > aren't,
   > terrorists have hated us for a long time and will continue to
   > hate us,
   > they are really the current "enemy of the year" just like
   > communists
   > were, and Saddam Hussein was and Kim Jong Il will be, and King
   > Kong, and
   > Godzilla, and the Angry Monkey...  All shall tremble and
   > fear these
   > boogeymen and we will send our armies fortth to smash them into
   > little
   > itty bitty bits...  Wait I forgot, Osama Bin Laden... He's
   > really bad.
   > Maybe we should catch this guy and lock him up somewhere?
   > Oh but then
   > Obama would just let him go after a fair trial and he'd move
   > into my
   > neighborhood and become a pedophile...  Best to lock him
   > away for ever
   > and ever.
   >
   > And its entirely refreshing to hear all the Right wing
   > republicans bitch
   > about Obama...  It is so much better than hearing all the
   > left wing
   > democrats menstrate about Bush...
   >
   > BR,
   > Mike
   >
   >
   > Rick wrote:
   > > Obama Wants to Disarm U.S. Pilots
   > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:19 PM
   > >
   > > By: David A. Patten
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > The Obama administration is taking steps quietly to shut down
   > the program that qualifies commercial airline pilots to carry
   > firearms in jetliner cockpits in order to ward off another 9/11-
   > type attack.
   > >
   > > The administration recently diverted $2 million from a program
   > to train and certify pilots to carry firearms safely while on
   > duty. Instead, it is using the money to hire additional field
   > inspectors to help discipline pilots who step out of line,
   > according to a report in Tuesday's Washington Times.
   > >
   > > A Times editorial condemned the Obama administration's action,
   > calling it "completely unnecessary harassment of the pilots."
   > >
   > > Since Obama took office, the approval process for certifying
   > pilots to carry firearms has ground to a halt, the newspaper
   > reports. Pilots are afraid to speak out about the behind-the-
   > scenes maneuverings, for fear of retaliation, according to the
   > newspaper. No cases have been reported in which pilots have
   > brandished a weapon inappropriately or otherwise abused their
   > eligibility to carry firearms.
   > >
   > > About 12,000 pilots have been authorized to carry handguns
   > while flying aircraft as part of the Federal Flight Deck
   > Officers Program. Congress authorized the program in a 310-to-
   > 113 vote following the 9/11 attacks to help prevent terrorists
   > from turning jetliners into flying bombs that could be used to
   > attack key sites like the White House, the Pentagon, or Capitol
   > Hill.
   > >
   > > Paul Valone, a Second Amendment advocate who directs Grass
   > Roots North Carolina (GRNC.org), is calling for citizens to
   > contract their congressional representatives to protest the
   > administration's anti-gun priorities.
   > >
   > > Pilots are already required to pay for their own room and
   > board during training, and use paid leave for the time they're
   > off the job. Every six months, the program requires them to be
   > requalified for firearm use.
   > >
   > > Valone writes on Examiner.com: "While bureaucrats . . . may
   > have attempted to hamstring the program with burdensome
   > requirements, training instructors and the Federal Air Marshals
   > who now oversee the program routinely thank the FFDOs for their
   > professionalism and dedication in protecting the nation's air
   > commerce against terrorism."
   > >
   > > Valone says the Obama administration is "dismantling yet
   > another layer of defense against terrorism and defying the will
   > of the American people."
   > >
   > > Since coming to power, the Obama administration has undertaken
   > a series of moves that signal a major de-emphasis of programs
   > enacted to keep America's homeland safe from terrorist attack:
   > >
   > >
   > > a.. Obama's choice for U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder,
   > labeled enhanced interrogation techniques as outright "torture"
   > during his Senate confirmation hearings.
   > >
   > >
   > > a.. Obama banned waterboarding and ordered CIA interrogators
   > to abide by U.S. Army Field Manual regulations.
   > >
   > >
   > > a.. He selected Clinton-era political operative Leon Panetta
   > to serve as his CIA director. Panetta's qualifications to run
   > the agency have been questioned widely.
   > >
   > >
   > > a.. Obama announced that he would shut down the Guantanamo Bay
   > detention facility in Cuba within one year, raising the prospect
   > of hardened terrorists entering the U.S. criminal justice
   > system, or worse, being released to rejoin al-Qaida.
   > >
   > >
   > > a.. He indicated the U.S. defense budget would be sharply
   > reduced.
   > >
   > >
   > > a.. He has sent a letter to Russian leaders, apparently
   > offering to back off on the ballistic missile defense system
   > that would protect Europe from Iran and North Korea.
   > >
   > > These and other Obama administration moves recently prompted
   > former vice president Dick Cheney to charge that Obama is
   > returning to the Clinton-era view of terrorism as a law
   > enforcement issue.
   > >
   > > "Now he's made some choices that in my mind raise the risk to
   > the American people of another attack," Cheney said of Obama on
   > CNN's "State of the Union" program.
   > >
   > > The Washington Times points out that about 70 percent of
   > airline pilots have military backgrounds. With airport screening
   > less than 100 percent effective, it states, armed pilots provide
   > a second layer of defense.
   > >
   > > "Only anti-gun extremists and terrorist recruits are worried
   > about armed pilots," the newspaper editorial says.
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
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