Ferrari Mailing List: Re: BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)

[LS (lashdeep]

I understand your points. But Murray's statement about not being able to build 
the F1 and Ferrari's about not being able to build the F40 again all are period 
statements. They always find a way some how...it is natural evolution and has a 
lot to do with materials technology, electronics, etc.

Nobody (including VW) has put that much thought into the challenge of doing a 
McLaren F1 style car today. Murray had A/C and a CD changer in the original and 
it only weighed 2600lbs!

VW took the easy way out and didn't impress anyone with the expended brain 
power. They just accepted standard practice for the difficult items (like 
weight) and counteracted with lots of complication. And, notice I didn't say 
"counteracted with lots of BHP", because that is a good thing. That 
VW powerplant is so big and heavy...a disaster. There are so many areas where 
they could shed weight and still meet all safety standards. The Veyron is a 
very lazy effort.

LS



----- Original Message ----
From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:15:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)

I agree with the theory that brute force is kind of a brainless way to make 
these accomplishments.

On the other hand, I do appreciate the Veyron's engineering for the fact that 
it can accomplish those goals while also meeting current worldwide safety and 
emissions requirements. Gordon Murray is the first to admit that he couldn't do 
the F1 today under the same circumstances. And half of the complexity of the 
Veyron is to try to fend off the lawyers (the BS "startup sequence" for a 
top-speed run) when the idiots that can afford them subsequently crash them 
(see youtube video of Tom Cruise locking Katie Holmes in his Veyron at an 
awards ceremony).

You could argue that doing that performance in a race car with 60% of the power 
also isn't an accomplishment because they never had to worry about anything 
practical or government-mandated - building anything to a single goal is easier 
than building something that has to accomplish a broad series of goals.

Packaging all that in a car that is also interesting to look at is also pretty 
cool.

-- charles


-----Original Message-----
From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:59 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)


Is it really an engineering accomplishment? I beg to differ, it has 24 turbos 
and 50000 horsepower. Big deal...a kid could predict that.

An engineering accomplishment would be to design a car that could do the same 
with 600bhp or without all of the complication...and a lot of race cars have 
come close to that. There's nothing impressive about a 4700lb "sporty" car that 
is as complicated as the Veyron.

McLaren F1 is still the ultimate!

LS



----- Original Message ----
From: E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:45:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)

I think the record was set by a Peugeot, of 253 mph, or 406 kmh.  I think they 
put the  twisties in Mulsanne straight, late 80's real 90's to help keep top 
speeds down.

I think the old porsche 917s were touching up near 240 mph, but I can't find 
any official times for it posted.

The thing with the BUG, if you drive it like that, you'll be out of gas in 
about 12 minutes, if you start with a full tank, and tires probably not long 
after. lol.  Still, it is quite the engineering accomplishment for a road car!! 
;-)

Ed
911SC

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