Ferrari Mailing List: Re: BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)

[E M (pokiebaron]

There comes a point where the costs to develop such cars simply can't be
justified.  Most are made at a loss.  I read the BUG costs about 5 mil per
copy to make, but they get their return on that loss from the attention the
car brings to the company.

Ferrari probably didn't make much on the Enzo and I would think, most likely
lost on it to, Still being quite recent, look at that car.  Many of the
latest materials were used, 800 or so hp, and it still ended up being a big
heavy boat with a top end not a whole not more than a standard M5 with the
limiter removed.  The 430, stripped of a few hundred pounds even does better
times around the test track.

I think the F1 was built at a loss too, but again, ppl are still talking
about it today, so it brought the company the attention it wanted.
Everything on the F1 was purpose made, including the radio and ac system
with weight in mind.

There is no easy way to build a hyper car these days.  They all, including
the BUG have to pass so many checks, and get so many political nods before
they ever come to be, we should all be very thankful any such cars even make
it to production these days.

Ed
911SC

2009/3/30 LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>

>
> I understand your points. But Murray's statement about not being able to
> build the F1 and Ferrari's about not being able to build the F40 again all
> are period statements. They always find a way some how...it is natural
> evolution and has a lot to do with materials technology, electronics, etc.
>
> Nobody (including VW) has put that much thought into the challenge of doing
> a McLaren F1 style car today. Murray had A/C and a CD changer in the
> original and it only weighed 2600lbs!
>
> VW took the easy way out and didn't impress anyone with the expended brain
> power. They just accepted standard practice for the difficult items (like
> weight) and counteracted with lots of complication. And, notice I didn't say
> "counteracted with lots of BHP", because that is a good thing. That
> VW powerplant is so big and heavy...a disaster. There are so many areas
> where they could shed weight and still meet all safety standards. The Veyron
> is a very lazy effort.
>
> LS
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:15:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)
>
> I agree with the theory that brute force is kind of a brainless way to make
> these accomplishments.
>
> On the other hand, I do appreciate the Veyron's engineering for the fact
> that it can accomplish those goals while also meeting current worldwide
> safety and emissions requirements. Gordon Murray is the first to admit that
> he couldn't do the F1 today under the same circumstances. And half of the
> complexity of the Veyron is to try to fend off the lawyers (the BS "startup
> sequence" for a top-speed run) when the idiots that can afford them
> subsequently crash them (see youtube video of Tom Cruise locking Katie
> Holmes in his Veyron at an awards ceremony).
>
> You could argue that doing that performance in a race car with 60% of the
> power also isn't an accomplishment because they never had to worry about
> anything practical or government-mandated - building anything to a single
> goal is easier than building something that has to accomplish a broad series
> of goals.
>
> Packaging all that in a car that is also interesting to look at is also
> pretty cool.
>
> -- charles
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:59 AM
> To: Charles Perry
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)
>
>
> Is it really an engineering accomplishment? I beg to differ, it has 24
> turbos and 50000 horsepower. Big deal...a kid could predict that.
>
> An engineering accomplishment would be to design a car that could do the
> same with 600bhp or without all of the complication...and a lot of race cars
> have come close to that. There's nothing impressive about a 4700lb "sporty"
> car that is as complicated as the Veyron.
>
> McLaren F1 is still the ultimate!
>
> LS
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:45:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC)
>
> I think the record was set by a Peugeot, of 253 mph, or 406 kmh.  I think
> they put the  twisties in Mulsanne straight, late 80's real 90's to help
> keep top speeds down.
>
> I think the old porsche 917s were touching up near 240 mph, but I can't
> find any official times for it posted.
>
> The thing with the BUG, if you drive it like that, you'll be out of gas in
> about 12 minutes, if you start with a full tank, and tires probably not long
> after. lol.  Still, it is quite the engineering accomplishment for a road
> car!! ;-)
>
> Ed
> 911SC
>
> 2009/3/30 <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
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> > Does any Tifosi out there know what the all-time top speed reached on
> > the straight at Le Mans is? I think it's not too much slower than
> > this. Just wondering . . .
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