Ferrari Mailing List: Re: F450 Spy Shots

[LS (lashdeep]

Indeed, too expensive and embarrassing to redesign all of their powertrains at 
this point.

Solve the problems with a band aid that is also blessed by media and public 
perception...forced induction.

What's next? Coil springs are better than leaf springs??

LS



----- Original Message ----
From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:35:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F450 Spy Shots

Volvo is going to all turbos, Ford's v6 design is going to turbo.
Emissions are the drivers, not inherent design flaws. Not that I know
anything on the subject...

On 3/31/09, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:54 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Rick, turbo is the "old school" way of doing things. That was for when
>> manufacturers couldn't or didn't know how to make an engine that made big
>> BHP (over 400) and still get good mpg.
>>
>> Those days are gone or at least should be. There are manufacturers out
>> there that are accomplishing all of this without the added complication,
>> weight, cost and heat of forced induction.
>>
>> Forced induction is a band aid for a core engineering deficiency whether
>> it
>> be poor fuel economy or poor power production. The basic engine design
>> needs
>> to be addressed.
>>
>> It's 2009...we now have light, powerful engines that get great fuel
>> economy
>> normally aspirated. Forced induction is a sell out...it would be sad if
>> Ferrari resorted to this. They should be the ultimate in engineering
>> exercise.
>>
>> LS
>
>
> Curious, how heavy is the F40 motor compared to other motors we've discussed
> so far?
>
> BTW, you can get all the horsepower you want from any displacement motor you
> want naturally aspirated....but it will cost you both torque and
> tractability.
>
> I like the formula of big displacement motor a la Z06 vette to accomplish
> these goals but any Ferrari motor is going to weigh more than that even with
> less displacement, because Ferrari will never make an OHV design as opposed
> to a DOHC.
>
> Maybe instead of an Enzo 6.0 liter they could make something about 5.0
> liters that has a ton of power and torque, and lighter. It's been 13 years
> since the F512M, so I'm sure they could make something a lot stronger than
> 436 hp/363 lb-ft, but could it be on the same order of supercars today?
>
> Not sure we can dismiss turbo/supercharging so easily for the high strung
> exotics just yet.
>
> FG
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